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Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

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Re: Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

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post #5

Best as I can tell, it comes down to your temperament. Some people love to bill the hour and work on new things without having ultimate responsibility (or upside / downside) in operating the thing. What gets you up in the morning?

My agency does both, that's a false dichotomy.

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Re: Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

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post #5

Best as I can tell, it comes down to your temperament. Some people love to bill the hour and work on new things without having ultimate responsibility (or upside / downside) in operating the thing. What gets you up in the morning?

My agency does both, that's a false dichotomy.

I wasn’t presenting an either or. I said some people are motivated by doing the thing for pay but not owning / running it. This is truth and many of the best agency people I’ve known are like this.

Re: Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

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So, general things I've learned from comments are it's competitive for sure. Small businesses don't care much about how good a website looks. There is less demand for web design and more agencies and people to fill that demand. A website doesn't make such a big impact on users, so they won't pay as much or care as much about it.

So, it's becoming clearer that I should not start web design. But this discussion is not over. I want to understand the creative business more, so feel free to share your thoughts on parts of the creative world which are high in demand but low in feeling that demand.

Re: Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

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post #6

As someone who has owned (and technically still does, but it's a side gig for sure) a web design company: Let me say this: Your sentiment of "95% are terrible at it" is simultaneously probably true and completely pointless. Here's what I've discovered. Let's assume that you really ARE making the Rolex of websites, deep down you KNOW you're the best of the best. Too bad. It doesn't matter, because the general public c…

Well said. Id say this goes with almost anything. Even software. As swes you want to build the best quality, lowest tech debt, beautiful crafted yada yada software. Customers won't care if it doesn't do what they want to do within their budget!

Re: Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

#25
Don't do it.

> After revenue becomes great, I will automate

Once again, don't do it.

Only start an agency if years from now you will still personally sweat every small detail, you will still enjoy working 1:1 with clients who won't always get what you're proposing and will annoy you to no end yet you put up with it because you're a professional, you understand the value of your expertise, and you believe in the future success of their business more than they do.

Don't do this unless you're a craftsperson who cares more about the craft than the money. Because if you're really just in it for money, prestige, to boost your ego, or whatever… (a) you will very likely fail, and (b) I will be more than glad to compete with you.

Re: Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

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post #6

As someone who has owned (and technically still does, but it's a side gig for sure) a web design company: Let me say this: Your sentiment of "95% are terrible at it" is simultaneously probably true and completely pointless. Here's what I've discovered. Let's assume that you really ARE making the Rolex of websites, deep down you KNOW you're the best of the best. Too bad. It doesn't matter, because the general public c…

what do you mean exactly by the general public not being able to tell the difference?

I didn't mean the users, I meant the potential customers.

Websites are (still) such a subjective, sometimes personal, sometimes tied-in-red-tape etc type of thing such that "what you, or even the vast majority of web designers, would recognize as very good" and "what the customer will be satisfied with and ready to pay for" don't line up as nearly as often as you think it would.

Re: Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

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Yes you are. Getting paid as a web studio is 90% having the right social contacts and networking IRL and less than 1% about making and delivering a quality product. You have aunts that are married to business leaders? You have friends that are politicians and can hook you up with a fake project made for you? If not, then stay clear. You'll only deal with small businesses who don't want to pay.

If you are good at making web sites you are much better off having the general public as customers and inserting yourself as a layer between business and customer.

Re: Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

#28
There are a lot of new agencies popping up, and probably there's still a demand.

Personally, I sell a tool[0] that agencies use to make their offering more appealing to customers and differentiate themselves from those just providing the "we build a website" service, and I currently see growing interest. The agency space is still growing, but you have to adapt.

[0]: https://www.uxwizz.com

Re: Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

#29
post #15

Thiel also said : "competition is for losers". He was right

The thing is, I have to do what some might consider "loser" activities right now because I come from a third-world country. If I want to build a startup or do something extraordinary one day, I need some money to support myself. I don't come from a poor background; on the contrary, I come from an upper-middle-class family. My parents can fund my studies abroad, but that's it. After that, they don't have much money left to give, and I don't intend to ask for more.

If this agency can get $50k a year in the worst case, that might not be bad because the currency conversion rate is favorable, and it provides me with some funds for the future. While I don't disagree with Thiel, I don't have the money to have zero revenue in my pocket for several years. However, I'm not naive enough to just sell a website. I will sell something creative, and the website will be a key part of that. Or maybe I will brand a business—who knows? This is my last year of college, so why not do something crazy instead of nothing?

Re: Am I stupid to start web design agency in 2024

#30
Many larger firms who use agencies will go through a competitive tender process, and for all who are technically compliant, they choose the cheapest. It's worth considering how to navigate that if you want to be high end (which I'm presuming means expensive). Also, I'd challenge 95% of firms are terrible, what have you based that on?
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