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Do you all realize that accessing to correct information+truth is getting hard?

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Re: Do you all realize that accessing to correct information+truth is getting hard?

#21
Advice: When saying stuff like this, you'll get more engagement if you provide concrete examples.

Personally for me, it got really bad years before GPT - because of SEO crap on Google. Trying to get accurate information on anything related to nutrition or health became, and still is, really hard.

Re: Do you all realize that accessing to correct information+truth is getting hard?

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post #10

Does anyone know a way to get a full dump of pre-2021 Wikipedia? Their dumps page only has current dumps. I know it’s not perfect (i.e. anyone can edit Wikipedia), but I think having it would be a good hedge in case things get really bad.

This link should lead you to whatever backups you might desire...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download

I was able to quickly find some 2007/08 dumps, but it looks like there is a whole ecosystem of backups out there.

Re: Do you all realize that accessing to correct information+truth is getting hard?

#23
Not really a new problem:

Take this quote from George Orwell on the Spanish Civil War

"I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories, and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that had never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various ‘party lines’. Yet in a way, horrible as all this was, it was unimportant."

Re: Do you all realize that accessing to correct information+truth is getting hard?

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post #9

Don't forget true factual information disappearing due to things like the GDPR Right to be Forgotten. It's not just about creation of misinfo, but also about censorship of true info.

Any good examples? I agree with your premise

Re: Do you all realize that accessing to correct information+truth is getting hard?

#28

I suggest these things printed on dead trees called "books" with publication dates in 2021 or earlier or from established publishers which don't print a Word doc emailed them by "T.T. Notchatgpt"

I'm pretty sure that an AI can write a book and put any date it wants on it. There are methods of disinformation that obviously long pre-date LLMs.

It can't get that book authentically aged, printed with non-PoD methods, and in to libraries and publishers' websites, with contemporary reviews and advertisements, etc. AdVon was having overseas workers and LLMs write online product reviews for the publisher's website not getting books into libraries, revue venues, etc. https://futurism.com/advon-ai-content

Re: Do you all realize that accessing to correct information+truth is getting hard?

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post #27
post #9

Don't forget true factual information disappearing due to things like the GDPR Right to be Forgotten. It's not just about creation of misinfo, but also about censorship of true info.

Any good examples? I agree with your premise

https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl...

Re: Do you all realize that accessing to correct information+truth is getting hard?

#30
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is on a completely differnt level than social media. With social media, you can still find information if you do some research. With AI, even supposetly reliable sources will be indistinguishable from fake ones. Scientific researchers are using AI indiscriminately, governments, etc. It will get to the point where when asked to show proof of something, you'll realize there is no way to actually find it.

I kinda agree. AI is indeed a reductive technology that very rarely (if ever) returns factual content. But that's tangential to the real problem, in my opinion; how much we trust people who are entirely capable of disseminating lies. Researchers and government employees know that they're doing the wrong thing when they delegate important work to language models. They are liable to be audited, questioned under-oath an…

This is today. Society tends to have what I call generational amnesia. Some food today taskes like crap, but people from 2004 think it always tasted like that. Same is/will be true for information, but at a much larger scale. People 20 years from now will look at today's AI garbage as truth, or a least as valid alternatives to what science tells them for example. Science already has a trust problem today, this will make it much worse. Same for history.
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