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Re: Tegelwippen

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Post by cyberlimerence »

niemandhier wrote: post #12
KaiserPro wrote: post #3

For those who aren't gifted with the dutch language (its easy to learn for enlgish speakers. Its like german but with english syntax. logical spelling and grammar thats really not that hard) Anyway, Tegelwippen is where you "flip tiles" and replace them with plants. The basic play is that it reduces flooding, and regulates temperature. Plus its pretty. https://interlace-hub.com/national-dutch-championship-%E2%80... T…

The size of the Dutch vocabulary is insane! The average Dutch person has a passive vocabulary of about 42k words, the average German speaker has only 20k passive vocabulary. In German 1300 words make up about 85 % of a text, in Dutch you need 2000.

Very interesting. If you could elaborate, are there linguistical/historical reasons for that ? Does Dutch use more "fine-grained" concepts on average ?

Re: Tegelwippen

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Post by gillesjacobs »

niemandhier wrote: post #12
KaiserPro wrote: post #3

For those who aren't gifted with the dutch language (its easy to learn for enlgish speakers. Its like german but with english syntax. logical spelling and grammar thats really not that hard) Anyway, Tegelwippen is where you "flip tiles" and replace them with plants. The basic play is that it reduces flooding, and regulates temperature. Plus its pretty. https://interlace-hub.com/national-dutch-championship-%E2%80... T…

The size of the Dutch vocabulary is insane! The average Dutch person has a passive vocabulary of about 42k words, the average German speaker has only 20k passive vocabulary. In German 1300 words make up about 85 % of a text, in Dutch you need 2000.

Dat het verschil in gemiddelde passieve woordenschat tussen Duitse en Nederlandse moedertaalsprekers zo groot is, twijfel ik als linguïst toch wel een beetje aan.

Are you sure that there study/studies are sound and use directly comparable measures for passive vocabulary items?

Re: Tegelwippen

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Post by legel »

Super lekker! (That means love love love)

As an American who lived in Amsterdam for 3 years, to learn from their horticultural and eco leadership, I can say this is perfectly typical of the Dutch. Smart, easy, sustainable, beautiful.

Re: Tegelwippen

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Post by Ladsko »

gillesjacobs wrote: post #22
niemandhier wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The size of the Dutch vocabulary is insane! The average Dutch person has a passive vocabulary of about 42k words, the average German speaker has only 20k passive vocabulary. In German 1300 words make up about 85 % of a text, in Dutch you need 2000.

Dat het verschil in gemiddelde passieve woordenschat tussen Duitse en Nederlandse moedertaalsprekers zo groot is, twijfel ik als linguïst toch wel een beetje aan. Are you sure that there study/studies are sound and use directly comparable measures for passive vocabulary items?

Ja mich würde die Methodik da auch interessieren... I don't speak dutch but whenever I read it I understand a surprising amount. So I don't think there really are twice as many words as in German...

Re: Tegelwippen

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Post by croes »

niemandhier wrote: post #12
KaiserPro wrote: post #3

For those who aren't gifted with the dutch language (its easy to learn for enlgish speakers. Its like german but with english syntax. logical spelling and grammar thats really not that hard) Anyway, Tegelwippen is where you "flip tiles" and replace them with plants. The basic play is that it reduces flooding, and regulates temperature. Plus its pretty. https://interlace-hub.com/national-dutch-championship-%E2%80... T…

The size of the Dutch vocabulary is insane! The average Dutch person has a passive vocabulary of about 42k words, the average German speaker has only 20k passive vocabulary. In German 1300 words make up about 85 % of a text, in Dutch you need 2000.

According to Duden.de Germans have a passive vocabulary of ca. 50,000 words.

https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/Zum-Umfang-...

Didn't find a source for dutch people.

Re: Tegelwippen

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Post by microtonal »

KaiserPro wrote: post #3

For those who aren't gifted with the dutch language (its easy to learn for enlgish speakers. Its like german but with english syntax. logical spelling and grammar thats really not that hard) Anyway, Tegelwippen is where you "flip tiles" and replace them with plants. The basic play is that it reduces flooding, and regulates temperature. Plus its pretty. https://interlace-hub.com/national-dutch-championship-%E2%80... T…

Its like german but with english syntax

I don't want to be too pedantic, but it's not. Dutch syntax is very similar to German, both are typically analyzed as an SOV (subject-object-verb) language with movement of the finite verb to the V2 position in declarative main clauses, unlike English.

Word order of Dutch and German clauses (+ some other Germanic languages) are typically described in terms of topological fields [1] and Dutch and German have very similar (albeit not the same) topological field constraints, leading to very similar word orders. Like German, Dutch has grammatical genders (three like German, though only two are distinguished in definite articles), similar verb conjugation, etc.

People are often led to believe that Dutch is more similar to English because it doesn't have overt case marking.

[1] Simplified, a clause is partitioned into a vorfeld, mittelfeld, and nachfeld by the so-called brackets, which are the V2 and verb cluster positions.

Re: Tegelwippen

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Post by hetspookjee »

microtonal wrote: post #26
KaiserPro wrote: post #3

For those who aren't gifted with the dutch language (its easy to learn for enlgish speakers. Its like german but with english syntax. logical spelling and grammar thats really not that hard) Anyway, Tegelwippen is where you "flip tiles" and replace them with plants. The basic play is that it reduces flooding, and regulates temperature. Plus its pretty. https://interlace-hub.com/national-dutch-championship-%E2%80... T…

Its like german but with english syntax I don't want to be too pedantic, but it's not. Dutch syntax is very similar to German, both are typically analyzed as an SOV (subject-object-verb) language with movement of the finite verb to the V2 position in declarative main clauses, unlike English. Word order of Dutch and German clauses (+ some other Germanic languages) are typically described in terms of topological fields…

What book would you recommend to start to best understand the way you described the differences and similarities between the languages? It really is a very nice post and I’d like to thank you for it.

Re: Tegelwippen

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Post by microtonal »

croes wrote: post #25
niemandhier wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The size of the Dutch vocabulary is insane! The average Dutch person has a passive vocabulary of about 42k words, the average German speaker has only 20k passive vocabulary. In German 1300 words make up about 85 % of a text, in Dutch you need 2000.

According to Duden.de Germans have a passive vocabulary of ca. 50,000 words. https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/Zum-Umfang-... Didn't find a source for dutch people.

The Dutch counterpart of the Duden (Van Dale) says 42,000 words. My take is that they are probably going to be about the same, because the counting methodologies are probably going to be somewhat different (e.g. do you count well-known semantically transparent compounds as separate words or not).

https://www.nu.nl/wetenschap/4308088/gemiddelde-woordenschat...

Re: Tegelwippen

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Post by microtonal »

hetspookjee wrote: post #27
microtonal wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its like german but with english syntax I don't want to be too pedantic, but it's not. Dutch syntax is very similar to German, both are typically analyzed as an SOV (subject-object-verb) language with movement of the finite verb to the V2 position in declarative main clauses, unlike English. Word order of Dutch and German clauses (+ some other Germanic languages) are typically described in terms of topological fields…

What book would you recommend to start to best understand the way you described the differences and similarities between the languages? It really is a very nice post and I’d like to thank you for it.

A linguist could probably come up with a good reference for a comparative work. I mostly had to dig into some of this stuff when working on Dutch and German NLP, but I am by no means a linguist. For Dutch I found this book very helpful:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/syntax-of-dutch/FB5E136...

It also has comparisons to German spread throughout the book. (Full disclosure: former colleague of mine.)

If you can read Dutch, the E-ANS is also a very valuable resource:

https://e-ans.ivdnt.org/topics/pid/ans21lingtopic

E.g., description of topological fields:

https://e-ans.ivdnt.org/topics/pid/ans21010101lingtopic

https://e-ans.ivdnt.org/topics/pid/ans21010102lingtopic

Re: Tegelwippen

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Post by orlp »

cyberlimerence wrote: post #21
niemandhier wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The size of the Dutch vocabulary is insane! The average Dutch person has a passive vocabulary of about 42k words, the average German speaker has only 20k passive vocabulary. In German 1300 words make up about 85 % of a text, in Dutch you need 2000.

Very interesting. If you could elaborate, are there linguistical/historical reasons for that ? Does Dutch use more "fine-grained" concepts on average ?

I suspect compound words are a major component of it.

In English "car factory" are two words. In Dutch an "autofabriek" is one word.

A dictionary might choose to list the most common compound words which quickly adds up.

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