X.com links are currently broken on HN so I posted a screenshot instead https://x.com/janleike/status/1791498187313963308
Posted a thread as a PNG! This is novel, but yeah, necessary unfortunately.
Jan Leike's OpenAI departure statement
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#22Thank you Jan for your work and your courage to act and speak candidly about these important topics. Open question to HN: to your knowledge/experience which AGI-building companies or projects have a culture most closely aligned with keeping safety, security, privacy, etc. as high a priority as “winning the race” on this new frontier land-grab? I’d love to find and support those teams over the teams that spend more ti…
Anthropic would probably be the closest to this.
AFAIK they are still for profit, but they split from OpenAI because they disagreed with the lack of safety culture from OpenAI.
This is also seen in their llms which are less capable due to their safety limitations
Re: Jan Leike's OpenAI departure statement
#23Thank you Jan for your work and your courage to act and speak candidly about these important topics. Open question to HN: to your knowledge/experience which AGI-building companies or projects have a culture most closely aligned with keeping safety, security, privacy, etc. as high a priority as “winning the race” on this new frontier land-grab? I’d love to find and support those teams over the teams that spend more ti…
I can't find the reference right now but I seem to remember hearing Zvi Moskowitz say in a podcast that Anthropic is the most safety-concious of the big players.
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#25> "Learn to feel the AGI."
This is flabbergasted statement to me but is probably the necessary attitude to push the AI/ML frontier, I guess.
I feel old.
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#26X.com links are currently broken on HN so I posted a screenshot instead https://x.com/janleike/status/1791498187313963308
The funny thing is I got better OCR throwing this at ChatGPT than at the actual OCR engine I use (Windows default.)
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#27"Learn to feel the AGI"
shades of
> Anticipating the arrival of this all-powerful technology, Sutskever began to behave like a spiritual leader, three employees who worked with him told us. His constant, enthusiastic refrain was “feel the AGI,” a reference to the idea that the company was on the cusp of its ultimate goal. At OpenAI’s 2022 holiday party, held at the California Academy of Sciences, Sutskever led employees in a chant: “Feel the AGI! Feel the AGI!” The phrase itself was popular enough that OpenAI employees created a special “Feel the AGI” reaction emoji in Slack.
From the Atlantic article. He seems a serious person but it's hard to take this circle seriously.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hard to imagine. But if you actually believe that there's probably a bunch of ways to make millions in public markets betting on that outcome.
How? Interesting co’s are private (openai, groq, etc). Nvidia already huge. Microsoft and Apple are more users.
so you think if they came out and said we have created AGI there would be no changes in stock prices to any stock that has anything to do with AI even if they are already "huge"?
people said NVDA and FAANG was huge 5 years ago.
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#29"sailing against the wind" is a very apt description of hardlining Yuddite philosophy when your company's models got maybe 20% better in the past two years (original GPT4 is still the best model I've dealt with to this day), while local models got 1000% better. we should all thank G-d these people weren't around during the advent of personal computing and the internet - we'd have word filters in our fucking text proc…
we should all thank G-d similar people have been generally in charge of bioengineering and nuclear development labs else we'd have... err nothing. We'd have pretty much nothing at all.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does "if you think AGI superintelligence is a thing" mean? If you believe it exists currently, could exist, will exist, or something else?
Any of the above. Maybe, if you really want to put some unneeded extra rigor on the analysis, add "within the lifetime of anyone born in 2024". I don't want to, like, have the argument here about it. Nobody will persuade anybody of anything. But it is not a truth universally acknowledged that AGI superintelligence is actually a thing. There are other reasons to have qualms about OpenAI! They could be misleading the m…
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