I wish there was a type safe, algebraic data type using Terraform alternative.
Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
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Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#22"Oracle’s move seems like a straightforward decision to ensure it is using the most permissive underlying IaC tool without having to worry about downstream license complications, no more and no less." Hm, with that logic they could dump MySQL in favor of MariaDB as well
Especially ironic, given that Oracle is one of the nastiest and most aggressive companies at enforcing license terms.
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#23A giant corporation like Oracle switching to the fork because they don’t want to engage commercially with Hashicorp is peak greedy.
It is not Oracle who are using terraform, it is their customers. Terraform is the underline tech that powers the tooling suit that the customers use to manage their oracle cloud. It makes perfect sense for them to push their customers to move to the more permissive licensing to avoid any legal issues.
Only when it isn't legal issues that dump money into Oracle. They absolutely love and adore pushing their customers to less permissive licensing which can encounter legal issues when they are the ones benefiting
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#24A giant corporation like Oracle switching to the fork because they don’t want to engage commercially with Hashicorp is peak greedy.
How? It seems entirely sensible
They seem to think that just because a company makes non-open-source software, it shouldn't itself prefer to use open-source rather than proprietary software?! That makes no sense, of course. Specially considering the non-OSS is now owned by IBM which directly competes with Oracle on multiple fronts.
It seems to me that OpenTofu is actually backed by many companies in a similar position to Oracle, which don't want to have to rely on IBM for things they have tight integrations with.
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#25Oracle making the change due to licensing is like a dictionary definition of hubris, considering how their own license enforcement operates.
They wrote the playbook. They know what's coming. Ruthless and smart!
Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#26I wish there was a type safe, algebraic data type using Terraform alternative.
You can use dhall for terraform, but no idea if UX for it got better.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think Oracle Linux was a similar approach to let their customers use RedHat Linux without paying RedHat, now also IBM.
Oracle Linux has been a thing for decades. It's largely because a lot of Oracle DB products where performance mattered (eg. Exadata) needed some sort of a base OS that Oracle could manage and optimize as needed.
> It's largely because a lot of Oracle DB products where performance mattered (eg. Exadata) needed some sort of a base OS that Oracle could manage and optimize as needed
All that’s needed is update sysctl.conf to tune kernel parameters to the workload. Every Linux sysadmin knows how to do this. What kernel parameters need to be updated is heavily documented for any product.
Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see how any of this could be true considering IBM is also heavily involved in OpenTofu (and did so first)
I was wondering, once IBM got Hashicorp, if they would reverse the license change for Terraform. Not been that long since the announcement, so still hoping they will.
Has there ever been notable instances of company regretting and reversing license change of a major project?
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#29We're seeing an uptick in open source projects getting relicenced to non-open licenses. Some projects are successfully forked and the userbase shifts, other times not. One theory of mine is that we can measure the risk that a project will be relicensed by looking at things like diversity of contributors, trademark ownership, contributor agreements, and license terms. Low risk projects include the Linux kernel (GPL, D…
I wonder how accurate this assessment is since the Linux Foundation is a non-profit.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oracle Linux has been a thing for decades. It's largely because a lot of Oracle DB products where performance mattered (eg. Exadata) needed some sort of a base OS that Oracle could manage and optimize as needed.
> It's largely because a lot of Oracle DB products where performance mattered (eg. Exadata) needed some sort of a base OS that Oracle could manage and optimize as needed All that’s needed is update sysctl.conf to tune kernel parameters to the workload. Every Linux sysadmin knows how to do this. What kernel parameters need to be updated is heavily documented for any product.
Having these pretuned AND having a dedicated support team doing the tuning for you is the killer app for some buyers, as it allowed Admins to concentrate on other work and also minimize management overhead for the Infra org.
Spending $500k/yr on compute+support SLA is cheaper than $200k/yr on compute and hiring 3 admins dedicated to that piece of compute.
This is the model that every Enterprise Infra vendor pushes (eg. Oracle, AWS, MongoDB, Nvidia), and most mid- and upper-market purchasers are used to it.