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Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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>Dell is planning to refresh its XPS 13 Plus from 2022, with a touch bar on the top row of the keyboard and only two USB-C ports for I/O. If I wanted a Macbook I would get a Macbook instead of some frankenstein knockoff that can't run neither Win32 nor Mac.

So buy the computer you want. There's a glut of different options out there. No point in getting upset when a company makes something that isn't for you.

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Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

YMMV. I have always had extremely pleasant, hassle-free, and fast support and warranty from Dell. It's not that their monitors or laptops fail more often, I've just been buying them for a decade.

As someone who has had literally thousands of Dells: fuck Dell with a rake.

Second only on the chart of “companies to never buy from” to HP.

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>Dell is planning to refresh its XPS 13 Plus from 2022, with a touch bar on the top row of the keyboard and only two USB-C ports for I/O. If I wanted a Macbook I would get a Macbook instead of some frankenstein knockoff that can't run neither Win32 nor Mac.

The XPS line has for a long time been Dells thin + performance laptops. If that's not what you want... I don't know why you'd be considering that line.

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Mac and Win32 aren't operating systems.

Of course not, they are APIs. And this Arm-based Dell will not be able to run many binaries compiled for 64 bit Windows or any for Mac. 32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work. Which might be pretty limiting, depending on what kind of software you run.

>32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work

... Which is Win32

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Modem standby 0.3W?? I don't think CPU change alone will make these devices super-efficient. And why is web browsing such a battery sink? Are they using an old version of edge? Is it full of random extensions?? By the way, 15 minutes into a thread about CPUs and discussion has not yet been hijacked by the fans of "that other company". Maybe HN is improving?

What are some good long battery life Windows laptops currently on market? I wouldn't need 20 hours (like macbooks have), but I'd like to get an entire work day without charging and my current experience with Windows laptops is that they last maybe 3-4 hours. Though I've also only owned mid-tier devices, so maybe that is only exclusive to top tier, not sure.

a Lenovo Yoga Slim with a Ryzen 7840u lasts for 8-10 hours with Wifi enabled, browsing, Slack, and a text editor, with the screen brightness at around 30-40% - good enough for indoors.

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Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

I will not buy an device with ARM running Microsoft Windows. Ship it with Linux or we ignore it like the other devices with ARM. Windows isn’t built for ARM and the closed-source software isn’t running well or slowly on ARM. The reason to use Windows is that nothing changes and legacy software from 1988 runs like on MS-DOS.

What did Qualcomm think when they signed a monopoly deal with Microsoft? That they will benefit from this legally questionable action? Microsoft exploited hardware manufactures to spread their bad software in the 90ies and only Microsoft did win.

Ship it with Linux and target an initial a small but welcoming market. If you want just a cheap device with ARM for browsing only, Chromebook (next monopoly by Google…).

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Mac and Win32 aren't operating systems.

Of course not, they are APIs. And this Arm-based Dell will not be able to run many binaries compiled for 64 bit Windows or any for Mac. 32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work. Which might be pretty limiting, depending on what kind of software you run.

>Windows 10 enables existing unmodified x86 apps to run on Arm devices. Windows 11 adds the ability to run unmodified x64 Windows apps on Arm devices! This ability to run x86 & x64 apps on Arm devices gives end-users confidence that the majority of their existing apps & tools will run well even on new Arm-powered devices.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/overview

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Of course not, they are APIs. And this Arm-based Dell will not be able to run many binaries compiled for 64 bit Windows or any for Mac. 32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work. Which might be pretty limiting, depending on what kind of software you run.

>32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work ... Which is Win32

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Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Yeah I find this very strange as well. Isn't this more or less exactly what Apple did 6-7 years ago which was almost universally hated?

I wonder if maybe they have implemented the touch bar in a much more useful way? The mac one was pointless and only served to reduce utility but with the right software it could have been fantastic. Some 3rd party software hacks even gave it haptic feedback (by activating the trackpads haptics) and that alone made it a million times better. Interested to see what Dell have done with it.

Apple had the best chance of it due to making their own web browser, OS, media player, mail app, photo gallery app, etc and having close relationships with big apps like Final Cut Pro, Adobe. What chance does Dell have?

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Yeah I find this very strange as well. Isn't this more or less exactly what Apple did 6-7 years ago which was almost universally hated?

I wonder if maybe they have implemented the touch bar in a much more useful way? The mac one was pointless and only served to reduce utility but with the right software it could have been fantastic. Some 3rd party software hacks even gave it haptic feedback (by activating the trackpads haptics) and that alone made it a million times better. Interested to see what Dell have done with it.

I have an XPS 13 (the current Intel version, not the ARM version obviously) and they definitely have not. In fact, I've had the touchbar replaced 3 times and the whole computer replaced once because when the touchbar gets too hot, it starts "phantom pressing" the keys on it.

The replacement machine still has the issue, but it has a newer generation CPU which generally runs a bit less hot, so it's not as big an issue as it was on the previous machine.

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