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EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA

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Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA

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Post by snowpid »

pjc50 wrote: post #19
snowpid wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

could you tell us more about BMW? Spotify is not a monopoly. this website from Deezer helps you to go to deezer by copying all music. https://www.deezer.com/explore/de/features/transfer-playlist...

Spotify is in an odd position; it's the labels which are monopolies, by definition of how copyright works. They're the current winner of the fragile truce in the piracy wars between consumers and labels. Normally considered to be bad for artists , not consumers, although they have been engaging in dark pattern behavior lately.

Which dark patters are you refering, too?

Im not sure. The amount of money isnt so big. If instead of 70 % , Spotify gives 100 % to the labels / artist, they still wouldnt get that much money. This is also the case for Apple Music, Deezer and Youtube Music. Im not sure if DMA applies to.

Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA

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Post by deeth_starr_v »

jeltz wrote: post #18
personomas wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the Regulation (in this case) is the predatory practice, which is destroying companies. There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies. DMA is the problem, it's not "that hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves". DMA does not regulate (or provide) that "hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves" because hotels were always allowed to do this. Even I admit that DMA has…

So what are the concrete problems with the DMA? I do not know it well enough but as a EU citizen and small business owner I am generally very happy with other EU regulations.

I’m not sure you’ll get a good answer. They’ve been on HN for 9 years and have -3 karma lol

Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA

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Post by rightbyte »

personomas wrote: post #15
yvely wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulating predatory practices is not the same as destroying a company. And if it happens to be the same, then that's probably a good thing. I have my problems with many things EU, but that hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves is just good for both the hotel and the guest.

No, the Regulation (in this case) is the predatory practice, which is destroying companies. There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies. DMA is the problem, it's not "that hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves". DMA does not regulate (or provide) that "hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves" because hotels were always allowed to do this. Even I admit that DMA has…

> This is destroying business.

Middle men like Hotels.com etc are destroying business by adding a hidden extra booking fee from the consumers.

Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA

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Post by belorn »

jeltz wrote: post #18
personomas wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the Regulation (in this case) is the predatory practice, which is destroying companies. There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies. DMA is the problem, it's not "that hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves". DMA does not regulate (or provide) that "hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves" because hotels were always allowed to do this. Even I admit that DMA has…

So what are the concrete problems with the DMA? I do not know it well enough but as a EU citizen and small business owner I am generally very happy with other EU regulations.

From the keypoints of the DMA, this change should require that:

Booking.com can not prevent hotels from providing booking through other sites.

booking.com can not prevent hotels from advertising special deals without giving booking.com a cut.

booking.com must give hotels tools to independent verify advertisements that hotels are paying for.

Booking.com must give hotels access to booking data in real time, and must provide export options for such data.

Booking.com can not give booking.com owned hotels preference over other hotels. (not sure if there are such hotels).

Booking.com can not compete with hotels using the hotels own booking data.

Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA

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Post by jaigupta »

nickfromseattle wrote: post #23

I didn't see any comments on implications. Can anyone TLDR?

They will have to increase transparency (rankings algo, pricing etc), allow data portability for users (and hotels), and avoiding self-preferencing of its services over competitors and face stricter regulatory oversight from EU.

Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA

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Post by sofixa »

personomas wrote: post #15
yvely wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulating predatory practices is not the same as destroying a company. And if it happens to be the same, then that's probably a good thing. I have my problems with many things EU, but that hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves is just good for both the hotel and the guest.

No, the Regulation (in this case) is the predatory practice, which is destroying companies. There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies. DMA is the problem, it's not "that hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves". DMA does not regulate (or provide) that "hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves" because hotels were always allowed to do this. Even I admit that DMA has…

> There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies

I'm sorry, what? What could possibly make you think that?

Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA

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Post by com »

belorn wrote: post #25
jeltz wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what are the concrete problems with the DMA? I do not know it well enough but as a EU citizen and small business owner I am generally very happy with other EU regulations.

From the keypoints of the DMA, this change should require that: Booking.com can not prevent hotels from providing booking through other sites. booking.com can not prevent hotels from advertising special deals without giving booking.com a cut. booking.com must give hotels tools to independent verify advertisements that hotels are paying for. Booking.com must give hotels access to booking data in real time, and must pr…

This all sounds very good for open markets and capitalism. As a consumer I should benefit, and well-run hotels too, I suppose, if I were ever to stay in one.

Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA

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Post by rightbyte »

snowpid wrote: post #21
pjc50 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify is in an odd position; it's the labels which are monopolies, by definition of how copyright works. They're the current winner of the fragile truce in the piracy wars between consumers and labels. Normally considered to be bad for artists , not consumers, although they have been engaging in dark pattern behavior lately.

Which dark patters are you refering, too? Im not sure. The amount of money isnt so big. If instead of 70 % , Spotify gives 100 % to the labels / artist, they still wouldnt get that much money. This is also the case for Apple Music, Deezer and Youtube Music. Im not sure if DMA applies to.

Spotify have started pushing artists and podcast to the 'front page' some years ago.

Your own playlist are hidden compared to how they used to be.

When you click on an artist you are fed 'recommended' artist and merch before the songs.

Podcasts take space from music.

Etc. A lot of antipatterns to push BS I don't want and wastes my time and focus.

Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA

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Post by moi2388 »

belorn wrote: post #25
jeltz wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what are the concrete problems with the DMA? I do not know it well enough but as a EU citizen and small business owner I am generally very happy with other EU regulations.

From the keypoints of the DMA, this change should require that: Booking.com can not prevent hotels from providing booking through other sites. booking.com can not prevent hotels from advertising special deals without giving booking.com a cut. booking.com must give hotels tools to independent verify advertisements that hotels are paying for. Booking.com must give hotels access to booking data in real time, and must pr…

All of that sounds very fair.
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