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Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Re: Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Post by roenxi »

Terr_ wrote: post #15
brianf0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should. why /s?

I can't give a definitive answer since I'm not the parent poster, however, it makes sense to me: There are various areas in which "disruptors" have promised that their outsider approach would somehow revolutionize the status quo into something better, and either they flopped or it became arguably worse in the long run. A simple example might be how Theranos was going to innovate past stodgy medical companies and prov…

All that tells us is that some attempts at improvement fail. Which, while common, doesn't inform us about the whether making attempts is good.

Startups give you as many attempts at improving a situation as there are people who can scrape together some capital. Improvements from within is capped at (#Existing Companies x %with functional management) which is a much smaller number of attempts. Improvements by regulation is capped at ... N=1 and whatever the odds are that a good idea dodges regulatory capture, your political opponents, inertia and being too hard to enforce (sub 1 attempt in practice, maybe 2 or 3 pushes in exceptional circumstances).

Of the options, startups are the best. The failures are less consequential.

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Post by laserbeam »

Naijoko wrote: post #8

wow the whole site is only pushing bullshit science. Its worth to click a bit on the other articles. Seems like an AI generated website.

Could be. There’s at least a link to the paper. Unfortunately it’s a preprint, not peer reviewed.

I can’t tell at a glance if the science is bs, but I can certainly tell that writing for a general audience before peer review is a shit thing to do and should certainly discount this article.

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Post by ravenstine »

Tom3849 wrote: post #6
stephc_int13 wrote: post #3

My belief is that societal and technological sophistication is overall extremely stressful for organisms that were prepared for a very different life by evolution. Our neurosis is a byproduct of our success and of the highly complex and competitive nature of our social interactions. Touching grass, spending time with animals, learning to accept and appreciate our animal roots, is what can balance the stress.

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You can certainly find a dark raincloud inside every silver lining if you look for it. Don't bother taking a vacation in Hawaii because you'll probably get sunburned and stung by a jellyfish. What kind of vacation is that, anyway? /s

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Post by nordstreem »

Tom3849 wrote: post #6
stephc_int13 wrote: post #3

My belief is that societal and technological sophistication is overall extremely stressful for organisms that were prepared for a very different life by evolution. Our neurosis is a byproduct of our success and of the highly complex and competitive nature of our social interactions. Touching grass, spending time with animals, learning to accept and appreciate our animal roots, is what can balance the stress.

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Get out of your routine and introduce some dissonance.

Outside is an endless miasma of geometric and color gradient state change overload for the brain, garbage collects the social objects we’re forced to hallucinate.

Sit in one spot too long and it all goes fractal.

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Post by seltzered_ »

Link to the preprint: https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/qnk2u

One other reference I've seen from a Tristan Harris interview is that mindfulness teaching effects (presumably for younger kids) can get negated by social media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3034&v=3CdxIATnH_w&feature=y...

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Post by Buttons840 »

> The aim of these programs is to equip youth with skills to prevent mental disorders and enhance overall well-being.

The way I learned mindfulness meditation, you should not expect it to accomplish anything specific. I listened to a course and found the ideas new and helpful, it was so life changing that I went further and studied some Buddhist philosophy, but further studied brought some anxiety and so I stopped. My current attitude is that I got what I could from it, but won't study it further.

I don't think mindfulness should be viewed as any better than other life strategies.

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Post by throwaway22032 »

As someone who grew up in the 90s, so many things seem to have changed to just cause a ton of anxiety that we didn't have when I was growing up.

A typical day for me as a teenager would be to wake up, have breakfast (or maybe not), walk to school, strictly pen and paper work only, hang out with my friends at lunch. We might play Gameboy after school, the same game for weeks on end. If I wanted something to do I had to go outside and play, at home we maybe had books, it's a self limiting form of entertainment.

Now it feels like everything is just so much more complicated. The me of today would wake up and stare at his phone for half an hour before even getting to school. It's just massive overstimulation all of the time.

Mindfulness, even in adults, I find is a hack to avoid actually doing the things which lead to stress reduction.

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Post by skissane »

kypro wrote: post #16
harry8 wrote: post #4

Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

> Religious studies fails to make kids more religious You can definitely make kids believe in religion. There's a reason entire societies in the past held the same religious views.

Religious education in schools often fails because the kids can tell the adults teaching it don’t really believe in it themselves. If the person who wants you to believe it doesn’t actually do so, why should you?

And then when they do really believe in it, more often than not rather than “I’ve thought deeply about all the doubts and I can give thoughtful responses to them”, their attitude is more “asking tough questions is a sin”

Of course, even the best possible religious education isn’t going to convince everybody. But when parents ask me if they should worry that sending their kids to Catholic school is going to indoctrinate them in Catholicism, I always reply—based on my personal experience of having spent the majority of my K-12 education at them—that the average Catholic school is more likely to turn your child into an atheist than into a convinced Catholic. And many religious schools of other persuasions do no better

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Post by developerDan »

Tom3849 wrote: post #6
stephc_int13 wrote: post #3

My belief is that societal and technological sophistication is overall extremely stressful for organisms that were prepared for a very different life by evolution. Our neurosis is a byproduct of our success and of the highly complex and competitive nature of our social interactions. Touching grass, spending time with animals, learning to accept and appreciate our animal roots, is what can balance the stress.

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IMO spending time with animals doesn’t necessarily mean interact with them. I find it very peaceful and calming to just stop and watch wildlife in my neighborhood while I’m out for walks (granted I don’t live in a suburban wasteland).

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Post by babyshake »

nordstreem wrote: post #24
Tom3849 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Get out of your routine and introduce some dissonance. Outside is an endless miasma of geometric and color gradient state change overload for the brain, garbage collects the social objects we’re forced to hallucinate. Sit in one spot too long and it all goes fractal.

It's interesting that you say that. Recently I went on a trip where I had my phone and I was largely in urban environments, but I spent lots of time (most of each day) just walking around cities and looking around. I felt so calm and balanced, even though there was tons of noise and traffic and things I might assume would induce stress. Garbage collection of social objects is an interesting way to put that phenomenon.
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