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How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Re: How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Post by genewitch »

Shorel wrote: post #3

This sentence from the article seems to be completely made up and not based in any actual science: "Without water to lubricate tectonic activity, our plates will grind to a halt." In fact, water has nothing to do with tectonic activity, and the "lubricant" seems to be a special kind of molten magma: https://today.ucsd.edu/story/scripps_scientists_discover_lub...

In southern california we had a name for when it rained ~1" and then got really hot afterward - "Earthquake weather".

I've asked various times and even asked LLMs if there might be some truth in the idea, but everyone assures me, same as you, that no, water doesn't affect plate movement at all.

try googling/whatever the term to correct any misinformation i gave, here.

eta: I see negative points for defining a term i heard repeatedly over two full decades of cognition. Similar to trying to google the definition, the resounding result is "no."

Re: How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Post by wkat4242 »

fooker wrote: post #19
grecy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically every country on earth has recorded the hottest temps and highest average temps ever recorded on the last few years, often breaking the record from the year before. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records#/med... If you don’t accept that as evidence, you will never accept anything.

An evidence for what? Climate change is real and we need to move away from destroying the environment. Maybe even resort to artificial mitigations at some point. There's not much evidence on either direction about how irreversible it is or how doomed we are. And claiming there is is dishonest, and hurts the efforts to make real changes for the sake of scoring ideological points.

There's definite evidence about the irreversibility like the release of trapped CO2 in ice that accumulated over tens of thousands of years. Riding of sea levels will also take much more time to reverse than it took to happen. Technically it's all reversible as the world will see another ice age at some point but on a human scale it's not going to be.

Re: How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Post by wkat4242 »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #5
ciconia wrote: post #2

No, the real question is how to keep the earth from being cooked by greenhouse gases , not in 500 million years, but actually in a few decades. This article borders on climate change denial.

Multiple problems can exist at the same time.

Let's try to fix the things that hurt us on a human scale, with the technological and social stability that nets us we're in a much better place to tackle problems way further down the line.

No human society has lasted even a fraction of those 500 million years so anything we do now to beat that is going to be moot anyway

Re: How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Post by southernplaces7 »

ciconia wrote: post #2

No, the real question is how to keep the earth from being cooked by greenhouse gases , not in 500 million years, but actually in a few decades. This article borders on climate change denial.

How the hell is it climate change denial for someone to speak at all of a completely different problem from that of human-caused climate change? It is possible to be interested in and worried about different things simultaneously.

Absurdly intolerant claims like yours border on similarity to a hysterical, religious fervor against the idea of praying to any other god.

Re: How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Post by nsonha »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #5
ciconia wrote: post #2

No, the real question is how to keep the earth from being cooked by greenhouse gases , not in 500 million years, but actually in a few decades. This article borders on climate change denial.

Multiple problems can exist at the same time.

I don't think the article is climate change denial but if it's true that the Sun is getting hotter then man-made global warming will not be significant comparing to that.

Re: How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Post by narism »

genewitch wrote: post #21
Shorel wrote: post #3

This sentence from the article seems to be completely made up and not based in any actual science: "Without water to lubricate tectonic activity, our plates will grind to a halt." In fact, water has nothing to do with tectonic activity, and the "lubricant" seems to be a special kind of molten magma: https://today.ucsd.edu/story/scripps_scientists_discover_lub...

In southern california we had a name for when it rained ~1" and then got really hot afterward - "Earthquake weather". I've asked various times and even asked LLMs if there might be some truth in the idea, but everyone assures me, same as you, that no, water doesn't affect plate movement at all. try googling/whatever the term to correct any misinformation i gave, here. eta: I see negative points for defining a term i…

There is research that does show precipitation events might influence earthquake activity:

https://news.mit.edu/2024/study-heavy-snowfall-rain-may-cont...

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/200...

Re: How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #23
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multiple problems can exist at the same time.

Let's try to fix the things that hurt us on a human scale, with the technological and social stability that nets us we're in a much better place to tackle problems way further down the line. No human society has lasted even a fraction of those 500 million years so anything we do now to beat that is going to be moot anyway

Because of one problem, we are not allowed to talk about other interesting ideas?

Why not just allow only topics on Hackernews where the specified problem is mentioned as the foremost issue.

Also this article actually did highlight the imminent problem.

> (our wanton carbon emissions notwithstanding).

Still climate change denial?

Re: How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

holoduke wrote: post #8
ciconia wrote: post #2

No, the real question is how to keep the earth from being cooked by greenhouse gases , not in 500 million years, but actually in a few decades. This article borders on climate change denial.

Apologies for being rude, but these kind of answers are exactly the type of answers that sre not helping solving things at all and are counterreactive. This article is not denying anything. Its telling something entirely different. Also it tries to give a slightly different look on things than usual.

If anything such sentiment is actively harmful to the topic, since claiming it's bordering on climate denial, borders on censorship to me.

Even though I believe climate change is real, I could see how it would irk me against the whole movement when it's the only thing you are allowed to talk about.

The post in its first paragraph literally brings up how we are actively harming the planet with carbon emissions, so it's not even that they didn't mention it or went against it.

Re: How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Post by realusername »

fooker wrote: post #16
realusername wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You live in a parallel world, the vast majority of the mainstream news out there are outright climate change deniers funded by billionaires and the few ones who don't cannot even relay the whole truth for being accused of "alarmism". The reason nobody does anything about climate change is because it threatens their wealth, not because it's a catastrophe.

In my 'parallel world', it does seem like the mainstream media publishes articles every week or so (for the last decade or so) about how we are at the point of no return for climate change. And all of it is preserved in this wonderful searchable web of articles that ensures one does not have to speculate about what was published. Maybe search on the web, who knows, it could turn out that you too live in the same worl…

I'm sorry but no they really don't.

As an example, there's been some pretty deadly heatwave feuled by climate changed recently for example both in Sub-Saharan africa and south east asia and I'm sure nobody is really aware of it.

Turns out the "alarmist" as you call them were right all along and the current events are following pretty much the worst case scenarios.

Re: How to keep Earth from being cooked by the ever-hotter Sun

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Post by wkat4242 »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #27
wkat4242 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's try to fix the things that hurt us on a human scale, with the technological and social stability that nets us we're in a much better place to tackle problems way further down the line. No human society has lasted even a fraction of those 500 million years so anything we do now to beat that is going to be moot anyway

Because of one problem, we are not allowed to talk about other interesting ideas? Why not just allow only topics on Hackernews where the specified problem is mentioned as the foremost issue. Also this article actually did highlight the imminent problem. > (our wanton carbon emissions notwithstanding). Still climate change denial?

Ah no of course we can talk about it, it's interesting research.

I just wouldn't invest a penny into "fixing" it, that's all.

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