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Re: Are recruiters better than a coin flip at judging resumes? Here's the data

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Speaking from personal experience, dev jobs that use recruiters are often some of the worst places I've worked vs the ones that hire direct.

They tend to be non-software-engineering companies that decided they want to do a bit of software dev. These jobs can be good in some ways (varied job tasks, exposure to different fields of expertise, good work/life balance) and bad in others (no real software engineering culture, salaries typically lower, limited career growth prospects).

Re: Are recruiters better than a coin flip at judging resumes? Here's the data

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> We strongly encourage anyone looking for work in this market, especially if you come from a non-traditional background, to stop spending energy on applying online, full stop. Instead, reach out to hiring managers

Absolutely true, at least for now. The techniques presented afterwards are straight-up inside sales prospecting 101 I predict that HMs will build up thick firewalls as desperation increases and these techniques become more widely known.

Re: Are recruiters better than a coin flip at judging resumes? Here's the data

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post #16

I got the impression that recruiters miss the ability to read. But he says that recruiters actually do try to parse the CV for 31s. There's probably the explanation: parsing VS reading.

They don't miss the ability to read; they are just grinding through a high-volume sales job.

Re: Are recruiters better than a coin flip at judging resumes? Here's the data

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we (developers) used to gatekeep recruiters, and now recruiters gatekeep us. where did we go wrong...

Same thing that happened to universities.

Management people do not want to deal with awkward, weird, introvert developers/academics. Instead, they get lower-level people as recruiters and administrators that are like themselves, but willing to deal with developers and such.

Meaning, we did it to ourselves by not knowing how to deal with people.

Re: Are recruiters better than a coin flip at judging resumes? Here's the data

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A good article. And then below it? Links to the usual leetcode-style questions that have little to do with job performance: invert a left-handed negative tree, etc. How about: figure out why that critical cloud function silently fails 0.1% of the time?

The website is about helping you prepare for interviews as they are, not how they should be.

Re: Are recruiters better than a coin flip at judging resumes? Here's the data

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post #16

I got the impression that recruiters miss the ability to read. But he says that recruiters actually do try to parse the CV for 31s. There's probably the explanation: parsing VS reading.

There are two authors of the article and the first one is female FYI.

Re: Are recruiters better than a coin flip at judging resumes? Here's the data

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In my experience (and Lazlo Bock's in "Work Rules!") most recruiters are bad, and the good ones are good enough that you should stick with them across their career. Thus in aggregate them performing poorly doesn't surprise me; I'd be curious to see a study on whether the good ones are consistently good or if it varies from test to test. That said I don't think ANYONE is going to be amazing at parsing only resumes - part of the point of having recruiters whether internal or external is to be able to have a screening call with a much larger number of candidates.

Re: Are recruiters better than a coin flip at judging resumes? Here's the data

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we (developers) used to gatekeep recruiters, and now recruiters gatekeep us. where did we go wrong...

> where did we go wrong...

Developers like to treat all problems as technical problems. And human problems with incompatible incentives typically don't have a technical solution.

Failure to understand this and to develop relevant soft skills is what's causing frustration for a lot of (very talented otherwise) devs.

Re: Are recruiters better than a coin flip at judging resumes? Here's the data

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OP here. I posted this as I'm continually troubled by tech recruitment - I think it's fundamentally broken and has been for years now.

I'm verging on writing a long post on it, but came across this article as it included some simplified data/research on the topic (there isn't much around!).

A lot of (or the vast majority) of recruiters have little concept of the true value that sits behind a resume/CV - they don't even have the capacity to understand/interpret the content at times, but there are a few that aren't as bad as the rest. A hat-tip to them!

I've had to work with a lot of recruiters at times in tech leadership roles and not by choice. I dislike working with them and generally because most of time, they don't really care about fit - they're simply looking to hit their monthly, quarterly or annual target numbers. I've also seen actions by recruiters that verge on slander/defamation and horrors I don't want to see ever again.

Where CV's are concerned, it's a crap shoot and I'll happily admit that I hate writing my own...

In the comments, someone mentioned "hiring direct". Now there's a method that truly does work. I've hired more than 150 devs personally and the vast majority have been through direct hires via network and events.

Whilst it's super important to hire for skills, hire for attitude first. Skills can be improved (and taught if needed). Attitude is everything!

Re: Are recruiters better than a coin flip at judging resumes? Here's the data

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we (developers) used to gatekeep recruiters, and now recruiters gatekeep us. where did we go wrong...

Same thing that happened to universities. Management people do not want to deal with awkward, weird, introvert developers/academics. Instead, they get lower-level people as recruiters and administrators that are like themselves, but willing to deal with developers and such. Meaning, we did it to ourselves by not knowing how to deal with people.

yeah a big part of it was developers offloading some administrative responsibilities, which ends up as a loss of power.
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