Just use KDE and avoid Gnome.
Just read the linked content before making a non sequitur comment.
The Adwaita Icon Theme no longer follows the FDO spec, breaking e.g. KDE apps
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Re: The Adwaita Icon Theme no longer follows the FDO spec, breaking e.g. KDE apps
#22By my reading, this is a Fedora bug, not a Gnome bug. Adwaita is by deliberate upstream decision no longer an FDO compliant icon theme, but Fedora sets it as the default FDO compliant icon theme in their builds. Clearly someone dropped the ball in the communication between Gnome and Fedora.
Re: The Adwaita Icon Theme no longer follows the FDO spec, breaking e.g. KDE apps
#23Just use KDE and avoid Gnome.
Just read the linked content before making a non sequitur comment.
The linked content directly leads to what I said. Gnome developers should address this of course (and they don't want to), but I'll repeat recommendation for the end user - use KDE and avoid Gnome. It has been so not just because of the above issue.
Re: The Adwaita Icon Theme no longer follows the FDO spec, breaking e.g. KDE apps
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have no sympathy for them. They implement a spec and make a big song and dance about being open and standards friendly... and then when they don't implement the standard correctly they say they have implemented it correctly, argue about it and then when they are proven incorrect they just close the ticket, even though they could make small changes to fix the problem. They are just arrogant.
https://youtu.be/gT9F4qHoYlg They chose violence. They chose to copy Apple; they chose to go all in on the horrible idea of Convergence, where you have one monitor, and it's a touch screen (and if you don't, you're a second class citizen stuck in the old ways of using, y'know, an actual computer). Modern GTK removes ever more features and has wording like "tap" and "swipe", basically telling you it expects you to be…
At this point, I'm quite used to it. I don't worry about it too much, eventually they'll make a huge mistake and Gnome will become completely unusable and then their potential user-share will crater even further. And noone will be terribly upset.
Re: The Adwaita Icon Theme no longer follows the FDO spec, breaking e.g. KDE apps
#25I'm using this post to air some grievances I have with GNOME.
I've been using it for a daily driver for the past few months and it's come a really long way the past 15 or so years, but they don't seem to have a cohesive vision as to what they're trying to do.
What's with the topbar? Why have the window title button in it at all? It's not like there's a menu to select different windows, and when you click on the window's button, it shows items that are better done somewhere else. It's like some useless appendage. I already know which window has focus, it's the one on top of all the other windows...
Why hide the window's menubar behind a button that doesn't even have a consistent location, like users expect from the "close window" button? Looking at you Nautil- sorry, "Files".
Their CSD titlebars don't work well with Firefox or Chromium, the main piece of software most users are likely to use. Everybody knows that its stupid, but nobody wants to be the one to change they do things, so users are left with tiny chiclets of grabable area in the upper corners of the windows. Completely idiotic.
Why can't I change the time/date format to something sensible in the topbar? Why can't I just move (or remove) the damn thing anyway?
Why all the emphasis on touch in the UI design, but I still can't select text without a mouse? Touch screen laptops have been around for a while now.
It does a good job of exposing functionality, but it feels very confused, overall. And I'm a little upset that the first taste of Linux most people will get is going to be with GNOME. It's had tons of work put into it but it still feels half baked, not for lack of trying, but just a poorly thought out recipe, if you will.
Re: The Adwaita Icon Theme no longer follows the FDO spec, breaking e.g. KDE apps
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just read the linked content before making a non sequitur comment.
The linked content directly leads to what I said. Gnome developers should address this of course (and they don't want to), but I'll repeat recommendation for the end user - use KDE and avoid Gnome. It has been so not just because of the above issue.
I prefer gnome though. :) Cosmic is the only thing I might be interested in switching from gnome to.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can even see why they want that change, but even just keeping the old icons as compat would have been good enough, I just miss the issue why on doesn't do that directly after the issue is pointed out.
It's been 10 years and probably a hundred closed/wontfix issues on the GNOME trackers (this is latest: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5872 ) and the File->Open dialog in Gtk3 and Gtk4 applications still give an error message when you paste a file path into it. GNOME business use cases don't get people using keyboard input so they don't care. In this case GNOME business use cases don't use KDE application…
This has been going on for at least 25 years.
Search the internet for jwz cadt.
Re: The Adwaita Icon Theme no longer follows the FDO spec, breaking e.g. KDE apps
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
GNOME as a project has consistently made itself clear on how it feels about the rest of the desktop Linux ecosystem existing, or working well with it: 2012 — https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotti... 2021 — https://joshuastrobl.com/2021/09/14/building-an-alternative-... 2023 — https://felipec.wordpress.com/2023/03/04/one-decade-later-gn... 2023 — https://medium.com/@fulalas/gnome-mess-is-not-an-…
That first link especially is hyperbolic disingenuous bad faith nonsense. It draws completely wild conclusions that simply don't follow from the GNOME dev quotes or GNOME's behavior it lists in its support. Trying to have a consistent coherent vision for their own project isn't the same as trying to lock users into their project, let alone trying to sabotage other people's projects, nor do they ever say that's what t…
I still prefer MacOS to GNOME. But KDE always just feels like a mess. And everyone's defence is that you can tidy it up any way you like?
There is value in that. GNOME and MacOS can sometimes feel like straight jackets. But you know, I would rather just not fiddle with the DE and actually get down to doing whatever it is I do. And KDE just doesn't give me that with the default experience.
GNOME works great 90% of the time as my DE. That's more than the 20% KDE has got for me.
Re: The Adwaita Icon Theme no longer follows the FDO spec, breaking e.g. KDE apps
#29By my reading, this is a Fedora bug, not a Gnome bug. Adwaita is by deliberate upstream decision no longer an FDO compliant icon theme, but Fedora sets it as the default FDO compliant icon theme in their builds. Clearly someone dropped the ball in the communication between Gnome and Fedora.
It seems to me (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/adwaita-icon-theme/-/issues/2... who BTW seems to be a GNOME/Fedora dev from Redhat) that Adwaita is GNOME's default icon theme. Either way, I'm not sure why Adwaita decided they weren't going to be an standard-compliant icon theme anymore but were going to continue being used as a standard-compliant icon theme...
Re: The Adwaita Icon Theme no longer follows the FDO spec, breaking e.g. KDE apps
#30I'm using this post to air some grievances I have with GNOME. I've been using it for a daily driver for the past few months and it's come a really long way the past 15 or so years, but they don't seem to have a cohesive vision as to what they're trying to do. What's with the topbar? Why have the window title button in it at all? It's not like there's a menu to select different windows, and when you click on the windo…
> Why can't I change the time/date format to something sensible in the topbar? Why can't I just move (or remove) the damn thing anyway?
There a bit of settings in dconf-editor under org.gnome.desktop.interface.clock-* ... good luck.