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Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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Just yesterday, I bought a raw milk, aged cheese. Now I wonder if it is reasonably safe to consume them in light of this development.

Cheese would be fine. Most pathogens will be outcompeted and killed by the "good" microbes. It's the milk itself you want to avoid

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People see the risk as small and hear that it is great enough to be worth the risk. How big the risk actually is or how great it is I can't say. But it's not that dissimilar to regular people eating unhealthy junk food all the time.

Different risks. I'd say you were extremely unlikely to get listeria from McDonalds - the very industrial standardisation that makes it bland also makes it processes out the pathogens. Acute risks vs the long term.

Yes, but the thought process of the risk taker is similar.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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The whole raw milk thing boggles my mind. It’s hardly a secret that it’s dangerous yet people do it anyway

You need to comprehend the complete loss of trust in authority. This has gone so far as to be inverted: if the government, academia, media, etc enthusiastically endorse something then it is assumed to be harmful until proven otherwise.

I say this as someone who shares this mindset. It is as shocking to me that you would queue up for a dangerous vaccine, support mass 3rd world immigration, consume slop full of soy and seed oils, etc as it no doubt is to you that I would be an openly racist anti-vaxer who gets his steaks and eggs straight from the farm (and would my milk too, if it wasn't illegal here).

It doesn't help at all that the champion of pasteurization was one Lord Rothschild, whose only two addresses to UK parliament were for Zionism and the prohibition of raw milk. If one is considered a program of genocidal supremacist hatred of my people, it's a very tough sell that the other is supposed to help keep me safe and healthy.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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post #4

Just yesterday, I bought a raw milk, aged cheese. Now I wonder if it is reasonably safe to consume them in light of this development.

Really depends on where you buy it. Some real cheese maker, or some random crappy industrial brand? In France we eat cheese made from raw milk all the time, it's almost never a problem, it's so rare that when it does it makes the news and products are recalled.

It is a French cheese, but bought in a German supermarket. So most likely more industrial production for the mass market. It's still tasty, but probably not the best one you can buy out there.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different risks. I'd say you were extremely unlikely to get listeria from McDonalds - the very industrial standardisation that makes it bland also makes it processes out the pathogens. Acute risks vs the long term.

Yes, but the thought process of the risk taker is similar.

Is it? Junk food is the "thoughtless", easy, popular option while raw milk is very much something you have to seek out, unless you live on or next to a dairy farm. And not just seek out, you have to have been advertised to.

(very much the inconvenient option for me given the law: http://rawmilk.simkin.co.uk/what-is-raw-milk.html )

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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post #3

The whole raw milk thing boggles my mind. It’s hardly a secret that it’s dangerous yet people do it anyway

As far as I can tell, it's in the same weird "purity" deal as anti-vax, anti-mask, and various other kinds of orthorexia. As well as being aligned with anti-helmet and anti-seatbelt campaigners: seemingly they want it because it's dangerous. It makes them feel good to reject objective standards of safety and substitute their own specialness. After all, they're the protagonist, they can't die in the middle of the show…

"As far as you can tell" is just your misinformed and shit-stirring opinion. Pasteurization is unnatural and changes the quality and nutrition of the milk. Baby cows don't drink pasteurized milk, and neither do human babies. In other words, you're projecting--hard.

Disclaimer: I drink pasteurized milk like everyone else because raw milk is expensive and hard to source. When I was a child I drank raw milk in glass bottles sourced from a local dairy since I grew up in a dairy town. I suffered no ill effects.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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two modern insanities on display in one place. Outdoor cats, one of the most ecologically devastating invasive species we somehow let run wild, and overconsumption of animal product. Incredible disease vectors we just keep around for no necessary reason.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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post #9
post #4

Just yesterday, I bought a raw milk, aged cheese. Now I wonder if it is reasonably safe to consume them in light of this development.

Cheese is a little different because the aging process kills some pathogens. But I'd check with your local food safety authorities. Edit: SciAm says a qualified "mostly safe": https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-raw-milk-chees...

I am aware, that ageing has a positive effects with regard to food safety. What I'm less certain of is if this is also true for viruses.
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