There are too many stakeholders, it’s too forkable (guix, flox, Anduril). Maybe the official leadership has a shuffle, maybe it’s even big. I’m not changing my Nix investment, I discourage others from changing theirs.
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A leadership crisis in the Nix community
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Re: A leadership crisis in the Nix community
#22Can anybody more knowledgeable than me clarify how a project like Fedora Silverblue compares to Nix? I know Nix has the declarative configuration, but do you get the same reproducibility out of Silverblue?
My knowledge is that Silverblue is kind of image based and you get reproducibility with snapshots. This makes me think it's like docker.
Whereas Nix is about reproducibility all the way down to the individual libraries and software.
Re: A leadership crisis in the Nix community
#23Dolstra nailed it:
> It is my opinion that it is not for us, as open source software developers, to decide whose views are valid and whose are not, and to allow or disallow project or conference participation as a result.
You really should not be in open source if you believe it is your purview to ideologically police the usage and contribution to your software. That notion is incompatible with the spirit of the endeavor.
Re: A leadership crisis in the Nix community
#24I don't have any knowledge about nix, the community, about Eelco Dolstra, or about this particular drama. What I do know is that there is no such thing as "community leadership" and that extremely long diatribes about the flaws of the founder can be safely ignored.
People who are unhappy with the community or the direction of nix should leave and start their own thing. They'll discover that building something is actually a great deal harder than it looks from the outside.
Re: A leadership crisis in the Nix community
#25This seems more like a community crisis around Nix than a leadership crisis in the Nix community.
What does a community crisis mean exactly? If every member of the community wants one thing, and the leadership doesn't, then the community wins, every time.
Sure but this letter is not by "every member", not even close. It's just a letter by a very loud minority. In such a case I don't think the outcome is actually all that clear. As people have been saying from the beginning, the writers of the letter can always just fork the codebase and the fact that they haven't done that implies that they are unsure if enough of the community would follow them.
Re: A leadership crisis in the Nix community
#26NO one wants to admit that the tyranny of leadership is probably a good thing for a projects success.
DDH, Linus, Poettering, Im sure someone is offended by hearing one of these names, but look at the status and reputation of their projects. Now go look at Wayland, or Rust who lack these guiding voices... Note that if you did in deep on these projects your likely going to need some popcorn to go with the soap opera levels of drama.
Nix is going to be interesting to watch in the coming months.
Re: A leadership crisis in the Nix community
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does a community crisis mean exactly? If every member of the community wants one thing, and the leadership doesn't, then the community wins, every time.
https://github.com/nrdxp/rfc-evidence/blob/dfe80298dddf9858a...
Quotes from the article linked:
> the community is heavily leaning into what might be termed the myth of marginalization
> this group, still upset about the failure of RFC 98, is using the myth of fascism
How can one take this document seriously after reading these sentences?
Re: A leadership crisis in the Nix community
#28Skimming the letter makes it look like another attempt at pushing through their Code of Conduct (RFC98) targeting "ideas rooted in fascism or bigotry", whatever that means. Now going a step further by erasing the people in charge.
> targeting "ideas rooted in fascism or bigotry"
Is targeting "ideas rooted in fascism or bigotry" a bad thing?
Re: A leadership crisis in the Nix community
#29Dolstra nailed it: > It is my opinion that it is not for us, as open source software developers, to decide whose views are valid and whose are not, and to allow or disallow project or conference participation as a result. You really should not be in open source if you believe it is your purview to ideologically police the usage and contribution to your software. That notion is incompatible with the spirit of the ende…
Isn't that exactly what the free software movement is based upon? You can only use our software if you agree to share your source code modifications with the binary (death to proprietary software, very ideological) and you can only contribute if you agree if that.
Re: A leadership crisis in the Nix community
#30> ...are going to be interpreted as a bunch of left-wing people taking over the project
Yeah, it's a bunch of left-wing malcontents trying to take over a project.
Anyways, Nix is very much decentralized as far as open-source projects go.