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Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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> I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. One of the main reasons why the UFO crowd discredits itself is the way that the crazies in the community are overrepresented, and look at "this flying object is not identified" and au…

At the same time, the supposedly rational opponents to this does everyone a disservice by judging all of it based on the loudest fraction of people. And then we can’t have scientific inquiry into anything, because baby/bathwater.

> At the same time, the supposedly rational opponents to this does everyone a disservice by judging all of it based on the loudest fraction of people.

Not really. The UFO community is synonymous with gullible crackpots and conspiracy loons. If the community wants to be take seriously, they themselves need to sort themselves out before they can expect to be taken seriously.

It's the boy that cried alien.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Too bad the aliens stopped visiting so prominently the moment camera phones became ubiquitous.

There are absolutely scads of purported "lights in the sky" style UFO videos taken from mobile phones on the prominent UFO subreddits.

I personally put zero faith in them, because quite a few are obvious fakes, and the rest are just completely unverifiable, so they are not worth thinking about.

But there's no shortage of modern-day pictures and videos...

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"We can't be certain what it is, therefore, we are certain it is aliens." You're right, and it's funny thinking about it in more abstract terms. Being "unidentified" means we can't match it to any known phenomenon, to then jump to being certain it is aliens is silly.

Although this characterization does not represent a lot of the analyses, and I think it's silly to "homogenize" a group of people and misrepresent them via stereotype. Isn't that a definition of discrimination? That seems to be very silly. Haha! :) Anyway, analysis focuses on "5 unexplainable observables" like : lift without control surfaces, instant acceleration, low observability, hypersonics without signatures, tr…

> Although this characterization does not represent a lot of the analyses, and I think it's silly to "homogenize" a group of people and misrepresent them via stereotype.

You certainly aren't being serious. The term UFO has been so abused by crackpots and conspiracy loons that it managed to be synonymous with unbelievable reports of aliens.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

I know, right? Of course, the American Electorate was quick to rectify its accidental moment of sanity by promptly voting him out after he installed Volcker and hiked rates to the moon (and then rewriting history to say that Carter was a bad president and Reagan tamed inflation).

He was not the president we deserved, but he was the president we needed.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

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Sorry buy Reagan was pretty awful during most of his time in office cognitively and reportedly would just turn his hearing aid off during meetings he found boring and zone out. Biden is way more engaged than he was.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Same with Ghosts, I guess they're anti social.

Cameras don't have minds. Mind is not a camera. We do not know the nature of consciousness nor the true dimensionality of our reality. Joshua supposedly made the Sun stop and so do gurus in India (as a matter of routine) per numerous first hand reports, but no camera has ever captured it.

You don’t need a camera to prove the su stopped. The consequences of the sun stopping, or rather the Earth ceasing its rotation, would be detectable by an extraordinary number of sources and means worldwide. And yet, no one seems to have ever noticed such an anomaly.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Too bad the aliens stopped visiting so prominently the moment camera phones became ubiquitous.

I have tried to photograph an aeroplane and also the moon with my iPhone 12 Max. The image quality is dismal.

Yep, phone camera technology has been deliberately held back by Majestic 12 to prevent evidence of their activities being collected.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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post #3

Too bad the aliens stopped visiting so prominently the moment camera phones became ubiquitous.

There are absolutely scads of purported "lights in the sky" style UFO videos taken from mobile phones on the prominent UFO subreddits. I personally put zero faith in them, because quite a few are obvious fakes, and the rest are just completely unverifiable, so they are not worth thinking about. But there's no shortage of modern-day pictures and videos...

> There are absolutely scads of purported "lights in the sky" style UFO videos taken from mobile phones on the prominent UFO subreddits.

I don't think you got the point.

Before camera phones were ubiquitous, the bulk of reports were very elaborate and fantastic tales where the so-called witness played a central role in the story.

Once everyone started carrying a camera, all we see is questionable light shows taken from a very long distance.

Strange, isn't it?

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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At the same time, the supposedly rational opponents to this does everyone a disservice by judging all of it based on the loudest fraction of people. And then we can’t have scientific inquiry into anything, because baby/bathwater.

> At the same time, the supposedly rational opponents to this does everyone a disservice by judging all of it based on the loudest fraction of people. Not really. The UFO community is synonymous with gullible crackpots and conspiracy loons. If the community wants to be take seriously, they themselves need to sort themselves out before they can expect to be taken seriously. It's the boy that cried alien.

> If the community wants to be take seriously, they themselves need to sort themselves out

How do you propose we collectively do that? Appointing a UFO Pope and excommunicating the heretics?

Yes, there are folks out there who see any dot in the sky doing anything they are vaguely unfamiliar with and jump to the conclusion that it must be a bona fide alien spaceship. However, this doesn't mean the UFO community is uniformly like that. Nor is the available evidence limited to bright dots in the sky, either.

There will never be "scientific" evidence without scientists willing and funded to obtain it. And if we label every person with an interest on the subject as a "gullible crackpot and a conspiracy loon" then how likely is it that we will fund their research, and how unbiased are we to listen to the results of that research unless it fits exactly within the boundaries of our preconceived ideas of what is even possible.

I don't have the answers to the UFO hypothesis. Never seen one, never want to see one either. But I appreciate any systematic effort to collect data of the objects in our skies and identify them. If nothing else, we will at least be protecting our airspace from foreign adversaries.

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