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Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Why General Atomics? They are also yet another defense incumbent that needs to be disrupted. They make the Predator and other current UAVs, which are all expensive and uninteresting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Aeronautical_S... In general I think the government needs to move contracts away from older companies and fund young innovative ones. Partnerships between young and old simply sustain the inc…

Because that's how the government operates. Same with the initial COTS and Commercial Crew awards to SpaceX: it was paired with a similar contracts to Orbital and Boeing, to make sure that if the untested startup failed there would be a traditional contractor ready to take up the slack.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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They should hold the next conference in Kyiv.

Only if their warhawk counterparts hold their next shindig somewhere in Gaza (So they can see first-hand what the consequences of their work and advocacy look like).

Kyiv would still be the right location. Russia want anything that may distract the world's attention from the crimes they commit everyday in Ukraine.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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And to a new-ish company like Anduril, too! Palmer Lucky and Co founded it in 2017 which is baby years for a lead defense contractor on a major project like this. IIUC this is the Wingman program for the F22 and F35 so these aren't "slow" drones like predators, these are going to be high performance jets. This is a serious contract!

Their website says .95 Mach and 9Gs… in simulation. It’s definitely going to be high powered.

What kind of airframe materials will they need for 9Gs? That sounds like too much for even aerospace Titanium.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Why General Atomics? They are also yet another defense incumbent that needs to be disrupted. They make the Predator and other current UAVs, which are all expensive and uninteresting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Aeronautical_S... In general I think the government needs to move contracts away from older companies and fund young innovative ones. Partnerships between young and old simply sustain the inc…

>They are also yet another defense incumbent that needs to be disrupted.

The first and arguably only mission of the Department of Defense is to win wars. Diversifying the economy is none of their concern beyond having a economy with which to fuel their war machines.

If you want diversification of the economy, look towards the Department of Commerce.

Or to put it another way: Thumping your diversity drum doesn't win you wars.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their website says .95 Mach and 9Gs… in simulation. It’s definitely going to be high powered.

What kind of airframe materials will they need for 9Gs? That sounds like too much for even aerospace Titanium.

F22 rated load is 9g continuous (~13g burst) and it's made with mostly Ti64, thermoset composites, and aluminum [1].

It's much lower than it can be because there's no point in investing in a stronger airframe when the sustained acceleration would kill any pilot. These unmanned drones can easily be designed to withstand much more.

[1] https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-2...

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their website says .95 Mach and 9Gs… in simulation. It’s definitely going to be high powered.

What kind of airframe materials will they need for 9Gs? That sounds like too much for even aerospace Titanium.

9G shouldn't be a problem at all, from a material standpoint. Missiles go to 100G, and F1 engine pistons withstand 8.600G (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force).

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Even though I never heard about Anduril before, this is now the second time in a day that I 'hear' about it.

The first time was a post about the latest Mark Rober video 'promoting' Anduril/military technology to a child/teen audience.

https://lemmy.ca/post/19761360

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrGENEXocJU

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Why General Atomics? They are also yet another defense incumbent that needs to be disrupted. They make the Predator and other current UAVs, which are all expensive and uninteresting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Aeronautical_S... In general I think the government needs to move contracts away from older companies and fund young innovative ones. Partnerships between young and old simply sustain the inc…

I assume andruil is doing the controller and consults on design, while GA largely does the aircraft. Building big aircrafts takes huge facilities, so it's not unreasonable to have a big incumbent doing this.

My point is we should be redirecting some funds to also support startups for those pieces, rather than resigning ourselves to the status quo.
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