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Pixiv Blocks Adult Content, but Only for US and UK Users

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Re: Pixiv Blocks Adult Content, but Only for US and UK Users

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Post by dotnet00 »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #6
bluefirebrand wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am friends with some artists who do some NSFW content and they feel they are just being strangled off of the internet at this point Even ones that are just looking for a place to have easy hosting and sharing of images are being pushed off of more and more sites

I’m actually quite optimistic about this! Yes! Push the porn to the “dark web”. Make it a pain in the ass. Ask for ID. Go all out!! …because… this is how we’ll get a free internet again. This is how we’ll get real encrypted networks. This is how we go back to the good internet - except - it’s going to be harder to remove the bad stuff. But this is what they’re doing. Strangling themselves with faux-morality and New P…

That sounds nice, but in the short term, many of these sites are causing people to risk losing their source of income. So many sites have had to crack down on NSFW content due to the payment processor cartels threatening to cut them off, and while theoretically they have alternative options for taking payments, in practice they don't, because most people are not going to jump through the hoops of mailing in a cheque or buying crypto just for an NSFW art commission.

To some this might not really feel like much of a loss, but since the payment processors are maliciously vague about where they draw the line, companies often overreact and also threaten artists whose most NSFW art might be a character in swimwear.

Re: Pixiv Blocks Adult Content, but Only for US and UK Users

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Post by KennyBlanken »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #18
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may not be enough in the future. The problem is every little incremental change like “giving in” to block content by region ends up welcoming the next incremental step in that direction. Other countries and regions may now apply the same pressure on Pixiv. Some might call this the slippery slope fallacy but it’s exactly how most political battles play out. In terms of geographies - one thing I read about recently…

>In terms of geographies - one thing I read about recently is how various “online safety czars” from countries are coordinating in groups that may soon have the power to implement global content restrictions (censorship) that respect each other’s local requests on a global scale. Thankfully, this dystopian wet dream is unlikely to go far. Censorship "Czars" cannot legally disregard the laws and constitutions of their…

>In the US, we have the First Amendment, and no politician or bureaucrat has the authority to censor speech generally.

But businesses do.

You're about fifty years out of date: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate

Christian nationalists long ago figured out they were losing the censorship battle with the postal service and governmnt...they long ago shifted to influencing every aspect of society, and one of those is business - and by that they mean financial systems.

That's why people in the porn industry keep losing their bank accounts.

It's also why the app stores and a number of websites are so strict about adult content; pressure from credit card companies.

> there are seven aspects of society that believers seek to influence: family, religion, education, media, arts & entertainment, business, and government.

Re: Pixiv Blocks Adult Content, but Only for US and UK Users

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Post by spaceribs »

schoen wrote: post #8
spaceribs wrote: post #5

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The change of making it harder or shutting off access just pushes people to reroute their behavior, moving large segments of the market into non-transparent (and non-taxable) crypto, further expanding the use of VPNs, and decentralizing the means of publishing and posting materials. The side effects of prohibitions are about as predictable as these moral crusades.

People have said for decades that governments can't control Internet content because people will help each other circumvent the restrictions by technical means. I've found that very inspiring and have personally tried to join in. But I notice (maybe especially on this day of the TikTok ban) that lots of people at least sometimes sympathize with the idea that the governments have good reasons to restrict information.…

Well it's certainly at the whims of a network-effect, that's part of the reason alcohol prohibition was so insanely ineffective. There was more people who wanted alcohol than the ban could possibly handle.

I'd posit that indoor smoking bans wouldn't have been effective whatsoever if they were implemented in the 1970's rather than the 2000s, just for the simple fact that 40% of the population were smokers compared to around 20% when those bans came into effect. Additionally, the impact to smokers was that you needed to go outside to smoke, which is a pretty reasonable behavioral modification.

There's probably some really solid sociology based studies around where this prohibition effectiveness essentially falls apart.

Re: Pixiv Blocks Adult Content, but Only for US and UK Users

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Post by _23sd »

minebreaker wrote: post #19
_23sd wrote: post #3

I could see this being really bad for the site. A lot of Japanese illustrators were already treating it as an afterthought compared to X/Twitter, and if the new terms actively make Pixiv worse for artists in the rest of the world then its importance could decline even further.

> A lot of Japanese illustrators were already treating it as an afterthought compared to X/Twitter Citation needed. Most Japanese illustrators do not care about the US/EU, and many of them even hate gaijins. If you haven't noticed, anti-Americanism is very strong on the Japanese internet.

Not sure what you're on about, it has nothing to do with being anti-American or not. Twitter is where everyone in Japanese creative industries posts about their work (unlike the West that didn't change when Musk bought the site), it's where the Japanese audience is, and it doesn't hurt that the global audience is there too.

But sure, if you want examples of this trend try searching Pixiv by title for stuff like "twitterまとめ" [1], " or "Xまとめ" [2], meaning a usually monthly compilation of illustrations that were posted to Twitter first. And that doesn't even get into the artists that stopped using Pixiv completely because they got bored of it or their account was banned.

[1] https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/twitterまとめ/artworks?mode=safe&... (apparently these links don't capture the fact that it's a title search and not a tag search, you have to be logged in and set it manually)

[2] https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/Xまとめ/artworks?mode=safe&s_mode...

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Post by userbinator »

riffic wrote: post #7

> users whose account region is set to the US or UK there seems to be a really simple workaround unless I'm missing something. By the way if a website asks me for my date / year of birth it's always 1969 because why the fuck not? specifically 1969-12-31

1969-07-20 might be a more memorable date to some people here.

1941-12-07 could be suitable for a Japanese site.

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Post by koito17 »

minebreaker wrote: post #19
_23sd wrote: post #3

I could see this being really bad for the site. A lot of Japanese illustrators were already treating it as an afterthought compared to X/Twitter, and if the new terms actively make Pixiv worse for artists in the rest of the world then its importance could decline even further.

> A lot of Japanese illustrators were already treating it as an afterthought compared to X/Twitter Citation needed. Most Japanese illustrators do not care about the US/EU, and many of them even hate gaijins. If you haven't noticed, anti-Americanism is very strong on the Japanese internet.

I think it depends on which slice of the Japanese internet. The こどおじ who discuss politics all day match your description. Other people, not so much. The statement about not caring about US/EU is true, however. I think most of HN is unaware that many Japanese sites take one step further and block all non-Japanese traffic.

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Post by jabroni_salad »

_23sd wrote: post #3

I could see this being really bad for the site. A lot of Japanese illustrators were already treating it as an afterthought compared to X/Twitter, and if the new terms actively make Pixiv worse for artists in the rest of the world then its importance could decline even further.

What I don't understand is how X hasn't pulled out the hammer like other western sites have. It seems weird to me that a Japanese site who is barely in the public eye would capitulate before X who has been under a lens since musk got on board.

In the recent happenings I saw plenty of illustrators get bounced back to X by moderators of fledgling platforms.

Re: Pixiv Blocks Adult Content, but Only for US and UK Users

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Post by minebreaker »

_23sd wrote: post #24
minebreaker wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A lot of Japanese illustrators were already treating it as an afterthought compared to X/Twitter Citation needed. Most Japanese illustrators do not care about the US/EU, and many of them even hate gaijins. If you haven't noticed, anti-Americanism is very strong on the Japanese internet.

Not sure what you're on about, it has nothing to do with being anti-American or not. Twitter is where everyone in Japanese creative industries posts about their work (unlike the West that didn't change when Musk bought the site), it's where the Japanese audience is, and it doesn't hurt that the global audience is there too. But sure, if you want examples of this trend try searching Pixiv by title for stuff like "twit…

Well, they still multipost on Twitter, but AFAICT it's getting unpopular these days. Tough I agree that Pixiv is not as popular as its old days too.

By "anti-Americanism", I'm insisting that a good number of Japanese anime artists see the ban as a beneficial feature, not a disadvantage. They would see this as an automated "Sorry, Japanese Only" filter.

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