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Claude 3 beats Google Translate

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Re: Claude 3 beats Google Translate

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I still find it amazing how LLM translation capabilities are an almost accidental feature. Yet they still managed to leapfrog decades of research and billions of investment dollars in traditional machine translation.

Didn't "Attention Is All you Need" bill transformers primarily as a translation model?

As far as I know, it wasn’t just primarily for translation — it was entirely intended for machine translation. It only because clear later on that it was a more generally applicable architecture.

Re: Claude 3 beats Google Translate

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"We find that Claude has remarkable resource efficiency – the degree to which the quality of the translation model depends on a language pair’s resource level.”

It looks like the main takeaway is that Claude 3 (Opus) is a lot better at low resource language pairs compared with other LLMs and Google Translate. While this is not as important for the typical english usage of Google Translate it promises way better usage of LLMs as simple translators for languages with fewer speakers or just less data available.

Re: Claude 3 beats Google Translate

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Google translate was always bad, at least from and into Russian, German and English. I've used it on and off from 2007 - 2020 just to see how it improved. It didn't. Don't benchmark against something that makes a sophomore sigh.

Get 4 years of multicultural students @ universities that focus on language studies. Feed LLM's the translation exercises. Record the sessions with the teachers and professors. Let the students revise. Repeat. Let LLM's learn the nuances and perspectives by following students through their evolution. Build LLMs that want to learn from students and not the other way around. Let the LLMs discuss it all with each other at human speeds and let the crowd moderate the conversations.

Re: Claude 3 beats Google Translate

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Yeah this is old news. When i was in China last year google translate seemed to literally never work (looks of confusion trying to do basic interactions in stores). GPT-4 worked perfectly every time, I think google translate might be another soft abandoned project from google

> I think google translate might be another soft abandoned project from google

There are 100+ people working on Google translate and associated stuff (the mobile apps, the serverside stuff, etc). I guess they're all asleep.

Re: Claude 3 beats Google Translate

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post #16

Google Translate is just terrible anyway. The other day I was using it to read some difficult Kanji and found that it didn't recognize は as being "wa" in certain places, which is something you learn in like your second or third Japanese lesson. And of course it was useless for the Kanji too.

I think it works well enough. I'm glad Google didn't try to perfect the product before releasing. It still feels like magic to me and helps me get the gist of most translations when I take a photo.

Re: Claude 3 beats Google Translate

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I still find it amazing how LLM translation capabilities are an almost accidental feature. Yet they still managed to leapfrog decades of research and billions of investment dollars in traditional machine translation.

Orders of magnitude more energy necessary though.

The GPT 3.5 API is cheaper than Google Translate. And in our testing (over a year ago) was better for translation. So I assume in that case the energy use is less?

Re: Claude 3 beats Google Translate

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I still find it amazing how LLM translation capabilities are an almost accidental feature. Yet they still managed to leapfrog decades of research and billions of investment dollars in traditional machine translation.

Orders of magnitude more energy necessary though.

Although, the paper argues that we can create artificial datasets using the LLMs which would improve the special-case translation models without having to pay for the inference and latency time of the large models.
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