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I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Enormous discussion at the time (2021)[0](1683 points, 626 comments) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26422799

I wonder how many users does he have now :-)

On the front page he says:

2k addresses registered

If you take that as a live counter of the number of subscribers that's 2k a year, and pretty good!

If you take that lifetime registrations that's not so good.

Also assuming that that copy is accurate.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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I would not trust Kazakhstan to honor the TLD registrations if this took off and made some noise. Reminds me of Libya taking ownership of all those trendy .ly domains claiming you have to obey Libyan laws and regulations to operate them. Still a fun idea taken quite far!

I really don't understand how so many people on HN can complain about centralized control, but then so many (other) people are completely against Web3, solutions like Unstoppable Domains are able to let you own a domain and only transfer it if you sign with your key. Why don't more browsers read a Web3-based domain system like Freenames, Unstoppable Domains, ENS, or Filecoin Name Service? DNS is a federated database,…

> can't someone start a CCTLD (it's only $250K)

No, they can't. ccTLDs are associated with countries. There's no process for creating one that doesn't involve having IANA recognize you as a country.

You're probably thinking of the new gTLD process, which has only been open for applications once, for a brief period in 2012. It's not open to new applications, and the process for applicants was much more involved than a single payment.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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I find it a little disingenuous that the author keeps dropping the TLD and describing the emails as cool@ , when the TLD is still part of the email address. Interesting experiment, anyway. I'm surprised that it worked well enough to get a functioning email service working with it. A lot of systems must assume that an email address or domain name wouldn't include emojis.

Same, switching between .cctld. and bare . made me question the author's understanding about DNS as a whole, those two are very much different things! Then again, the average tiktok viewer wouldn't, I assume, care too much about needing to tack on .kz to an email as long as there is an emoji in the address.

But yes, it's an amusing (ab)use of punycode, but still fun in spirit.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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I would not trust Kazakhstan to honor the TLD registrations if this took off and made some noise. Reminds me of Libya taking ownership of all those trendy .ly domains claiming you have to obey Libyan laws and regulations to operate them. Still a fun idea taken quite far!

I really don't understand how so many people on HN can complain about centralized control, but then so many (other) people are completely against Web3, solutions like Unstoppable Domains are able to let you own a domain and only transfer it if you sign with your key. Why don't more browsers read a Web3-based domain system like Freenames, Unstoppable Domains, ENS, or Filecoin Name Service? DNS is a federated database,…

because like most things blockchains (cl)aim to solve (primarily money and its transfer, but in this case ownership of domain names), those things do not really really have a centralization problem. 99.999% of the people do not, and do not need to worry about getting their domain name seized. cryptobros like to pose centralization as a huge problem where it really isn't so that they can peddle you scamcoins to pump and to feed their gambling addiction. "web3 based domain system" solves something that is at most a nuisance (and at best a necessary evil) by introducing massive problems into the equation, all to do something that isn't really a problem in practice (and it doesn't even do it, you admit there is still centralisation, so what did we gain by introducing all those problems, really?)

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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I would not trust Kazakhstan to honor the TLD registrations if this took off and made some noise. Reminds me of Libya taking ownership of all those trendy .ly domains claiming you have to obey Libyan laws and regulations to operate them. Still a fun idea taken quite far!

>claiming you have to obey Libyan laws and regulations to operate them It being a CCTLD, this is a true claim. At a basic level, these tlds belong to the country, and that country sets the rules. Libya reclaiming from ICANN was a jerk move but their claims are absolutely right. (Most cctlds already have this requirement.)

Libya didn't reclaim anything from ICANN -- ICANN didn't have anything of Libya's.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand how so many people on HN can complain about centralized control, but then so many (other) people are completely against Web3, solutions like Unstoppable Domains are able to let you own a domain and only transfer it if you sign with your key. Why don't more browsers read a Web3-based domain system like Freenames, Unstoppable Domains, ENS, or Filecoin Name Service? DNS is a federated database,…

> can't someone start a CCTLD (it's only $250K) No, they can't. ccTLDs are associated with countries. There's no process for creating one that doesn't involve having IANA recognize you as a country. You're probably thinking of the new gTLD process, which has only been open for applications once, for a brief period in 2012. It's not open to new applications, and the process for applicants was much more involved than a…

ICANN says the next round will happen in 2026.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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I bought xn--mn8h9e.ws a couple years ago just for fun. I think it's fun to own an emoji domain, but what I can say definitely say is that it's still a bad idea to own one if you want to get emails to it.

Popular thick email clients still struggle with utf8 domains and I've fiddled around with several email providers that just have complete failures trying to send as well.

I tried pasting the email address in a bunch of popular services (LinkedIn, Instagram, etc) as my email or the domain as my homepage and most of them treat it as invalid, and I found some legitimate breaking bugs in their services in trying it out.

Edit: case in point, just noticed HN also falls in the camp of unsupported emojis in the text body, so another example :). Added the punycode instead

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Wait, aren't emojis explicitly prohibited from being used in IDNA? Or do the implementers just not bother to read the "IDNA Rules and Derived Property Values" table and simply allow anything that's a correct punycode?

In summary, countries trump IDNA (and as you notice, it's all ccTLDs - ICANN will stop you if you tried this with a gTLD).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand how so many people on HN can complain about centralized control, but then so many (other) people are completely against Web3, solutions like Unstoppable Domains are able to let you own a domain and only transfer it if you sign with your key. Why don't more browsers read a Web3-based domain system like Freenames, Unstoppable Domains, ENS, or Filecoin Name Service? DNS is a federated database,…

because like most things blockchains (cl)aim to solve (primarily money and its transfer, but in this case ownership of domain names), those things do not really really have a centralization problem. 99.999% of the people do not, and do not need to worry about getting their domain name seized. cryptobros like to pose centralization as a huge problem where it really isn't so that they can peddle you scamcoins to pump a…

See, this is just dogma that gets repeated on HN. It's obvious to any person who honestly thinks about it, that having a third party in control of your DNS (i.e. what IP addresses it resolves to) means that your entire site can be rugpulled from under you. If it becomes big enough.

For example: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/is-njalla-still-legit.1521...

Now, you can say, "most people don't care, they just have a small-time operation, just find a reputable domain operator who doesn't have a history of screwing people over." But that's exactly the use case for Web3 and blockchains in general. Why do you have to be forced to trust SOMEONE, with something as important as your brand / identity of your entire organization? And, for that matter, why should an entire community have to trust one guy who can change up the site at any time? That's not very secure, and many of you vehemently insist that no alternative should be made available, to anyone, "because scam"! You don't want browsers to even support it!

As your site gets larger and more people rely on it, you don't want to have that major point of failure at any point. I know that some people on HN go so far as to say that banks freezing your money, and ICE seizing your domain name, are very desirable features of the Internet. So, then don't complain about censorship and deplatforming. You can't have it both ways!

This just happened, for instance... ICJ officials are being threatened that their funds will be frozen: https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/1781066997666607193

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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I discovered emoji .to domains ~7 years ago and put up a site listing all the available ones [1]

Within a few days almost all of them sold and made a couple grand in affiliate commissions.

I wrote about it here: https://marc.io/emoji-domains

Email forwarding is also a clever use! Nice to get that recurring revenue.

[1] https://xn--f28h.to/

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