The US will import people from other countries. We are doing it now.
America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
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Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#22This is only loosely related to the article - I always hear people talking about how disastrous a falling population is. But I visited Japan last year which has had a falling population for a while and was in a long term recession for decades, since the 80s. I gotta ask, is that what “bad” looks like? Because I thought it was a pretty amazing experience and society did not seem like it was crumbling. I understand the…
Japan has outsourced their manufacturing to other countries and take the profits back home. Seems to be working for them.
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#23Well then, aren't we lucky that there are so many people who want to come to America? It might be a good idea to, y'know, let them in and allow them to work. This is such an easy to solve problem. If only we would decide to solve it.
There is a maximum rate that people can incorporate before the system struggles and populism inevitably rises.
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#24This is only loosely related to the article - I always hear people talking about how disastrous a falling population is. But I visited Japan last year which has had a falling population for a while and was in a long term recession for decades, since the 80s. I gotta ask, is that what “bad” looks like? Because I thought it was a pretty amazing experience and society did not seem like it was crumbling. I understand the…
What you saw had little to do with decline.
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#25Well then, aren't we lucky that there are so many people who want to come to America? It might be a good idea to, y'know, let them in and allow them to work. This is such an easy to solve problem. If only we would decide to solve it.
There is no current problem just another media attempt to push the narrative.
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#26This is only loosely related to the article - I always hear people talking about how disastrous a falling population is. But I visited Japan last year which has had a falling population for a while and was in a long term recession for decades, since the 80s. I gotta ask, is that what “bad” looks like? Because I thought it was a pretty amazing experience and society did not seem like it was crumbling. I understand the…
"Death spirals tend to be worse in America because of the remarkable level to which the government is decentralised." Difference between USA and Japan. Japan is far more centralized than USA. Not saying that is a better system, but it may be advantageous to handle declining population.
In Japan, they are in fact closing down public services, including schools, because many towns are depopulating. Even if taxation and administration are centralized, when the population of an area decreases, it is hard to spend the same amount of money on services there, since the other areas have relatively more people and more costs.
The article actually doesn't make much of a case for its claim about America being ill-suited to handling a declining population and it doesn't actually examine other countries and how they've coped.
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#27I strongly believe this is very wrong. Just a $3500 tax deduction for children brought an increase in levels of 5-10% more children if im not wrong and it didn’t cost the states anything. Imagine if it was a $10000 reduction and so many people will have kids. Prove me wrong “shrugs”
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#28Well then, aren't we lucky that there are so many people who want to come to America? It might be a good idea to, y'know, let them in and allow them to work. This is such an easy to solve problem. If only we would decide to solve it.
>”It might be a good idea to, y'know, let them in and allow them to work.”
There is no need to be glib. The United States already has the world’s most generous immigration policy. And, what is likely the most lenient stance towards illegal immigration and foreign labor of any developed nation.
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#29I strongly believe this is very wrong. Just a $3500 tax deduction for children brought an increase in levels of 5-10% more children if im not wrong and it didn’t cost the states anything. Imagine if it was a $10000 reduction and so many people will have kids. Prove me wrong “shrugs”
I don't believe that effect size. What's the case you're thinking of?
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#30Well then, aren't we lucky that there are so many people who want to come to America? It might be a good idea to, y'know, let them in and allow them to work. This is such an easy to solve problem. If only we would decide to solve it.
There are two problems with this take:
* The people who immigrate have declining TFR after a couple of generations, if not in the first generation.
* The rest of the world has declining TFR.
So hey, you might gain a couple of generations, but maybe not even that much. Populations all over the world are rapidly gaining in education and, with it, undergoing the "demographic transition" -- later entry into the work force and much lower TFR.