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Formlabs Form 4 3D Printer Beats Injection Molding Machine in Speed and Quality [video]

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Form 3 owner here. - What is the material in each process? - What is the price per unit when accounting for materials? - If the material is not a Form proprietary mix, does the cost of the printers include the Open Platform license cost? [0] - What post-processing is required to wash and cure the printed pieces? - How many human hours are required in the washing / curing of the pieces from each method? - What is the…

Asking the real questions

Re: Formlabs Form 4 3D Printer Beats Injection Molding Machine in Speed and Quality [video]

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Am I misunderstanding? They’re no longer using lasers but LCD?!

Lower cost printers are absolutely using LCDs with an LED UV light source. These resin curing printers are pretty darn cheap as well, and have a ton of resolution. They also excel on volume as they do expose the entire plate at once and don’t require scanning a laser around. The material you get out of such a printer is of course entirely different from an injection molded part.

Yeah, I’m a pretty big 3D printer enthusiast. I’m surprised they shifted from lasers to LCD. I guess the laser and galvo setup was too expensive. Probably also easier and cheaper to ship new “Low Force Display” for people with formcare. End of the day, no matter what these vendors say, the crystals in LCD get damaged by UV light and would need to be replaced eventually.

Re: Formlabs Form 4 3D Printer Beats Injection Molding Machine in Speed and Quality [video]

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I don't understand your last sentence. If "you want less than slower ." What does that mean? Isn't it 3d printing end to end from idea to existing faster than injection molding for smaller runs? Isn't the entire point of this video that for a 1000 part sample 3D printing/Injection molding run time were actually more comparable than one might think?

The video chooses a very slow injection moulding machine; creates a mould that only produces two parts per cycle even though the machine could clearly handle far more; then has to use four of their machines and a human to match its pace. Yes, 3d printing is vastly faster if you measure the time for me to get a part from the machine on my desk vs ordering a mold and shipping the results from Shenzhen. But that was tru…

Seriously, that injection molding machine is slooooooow, and I produced parts faster in middle school in our shop class with an injection molding machine that was entirely manual and looked to be from the 20s, the 1920s.

They are printing a full bed of parts for each 3D printer run, but only two per injection cycle? And what's with that giant spike of flash on their injection molded parts? This video is so disingenuous.

Re: Formlabs Form 4 3D Printer Beats Injection Molding Machine in Speed and Quality [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The video chooses a very slow injection moulding machine; creates a mould that only produces two parts per cycle even though the machine could clearly handle far more; then has to use four of their machines and a human to match its pace. Yes, 3d printing is vastly faster if you measure the time for me to get a part from the machine on my desk vs ordering a mold and shipping the results from Shenzhen. But that was tru…

Seriously, that injection molding machine is slooooooow , and I produced parts faster in middle school in our shop class with an injection molding machine that was entirely manual and looked to be from the 20s, the 1920s. They are printing a full bed of parts for each 3D printer run, but only two per injection cycle? And what's with that giant spike of flash on their injection molded parts? This video is so disingenu…

The video says 24s per injection molded part I think. What is a fast time?

Re: Formlabs Form 4 3D Printer Beats Injection Molding Machine in Speed and Quality [video]

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eyeroll this is a part that's extremely well suited to being printed quickly with an SLA printer (flat), and it feels like next to no effort was put into optimizing the injection molding. We have long been in a situation where you can construct a race where 3D printing makes sense, but the way this is framed is disingenuous as hell.

Re: Formlabs Form 4 3D Printer Beats Injection Molding Machine in Speed and Quality [video]

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post #12
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your last sentence. If "you want less than slower ." What does that mean? Isn't it 3d printing end to end from idea to existing faster than injection molding for smaller runs? Isn't the entire point of this video that for a 1000 part sample 3D printing/Injection molding run time were actually more comparable than one might think?

The video chooses a very slow injection moulding machine; creates a mould that only produces two parts per cycle even though the machine could clearly handle far more; then has to use four of their machines and a human to match its pace. Yes, 3d printing is vastly faster if you measure the time for me to get a part from the machine on my desk vs ordering a mold and shipping the results from Shenzhen. But that was tru…

What is the problem with 4 machines? its still 4x cheaper then the injection molding machine. you could buy 16 for same price

Re: Formlabs Form 4 3D Printer Beats Injection Molding Machine in Speed and Quality [video]

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Form 3 owner here. - What is the material in each process? - What is the price per unit when accounting for materials? - If the material is not a Form proprietary mix, does the cost of the printers include the Open Platform license cost? [0] - What post-processing is required to wash and cure the printed pieces? - How many human hours are required in the washing / curing of the pieces from each method? - What is the…

I've barely used FDM 3D printers, and never resin, but that Open Platform bit seems like a shocking downside to resin printers.

Re: Formlabs Form 4 3D Printer Beats Injection Molding Machine in Speed and Quality [video]

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Form 3 owner here. - What is the material in each process? - What is the price per unit when accounting for materials? - If the material is not a Form proprietary mix, does the cost of the printers include the Open Platform license cost? [0] - What post-processing is required to wash and cure the printed pieces? - How many human hours are required in the washing / curing of the pieces from each method? - What is the…

We have multiple form 3 printers at work too, and they are very slow! It takes an hour to automatically fill the resin tank (which I cheat by pouring myself) and supply costs are ridiculous. But I really like the rather consistent output quality and their software is awesome.

My comparisons are against my own printer, anycubic photon mono. I can get a new printer with the same price of a bottle of formlabs material :)

Re: Formlabs Form 4 3D Printer Beats Injection Molding Machine in Speed and Quality [video]

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Form 3 owner here. - What is the material in each process? - What is the price per unit when accounting for materials? - If the material is not a Form proprietary mix, does the cost of the printers include the Open Platform license cost? [0] - What post-processing is required to wash and cure the printed pieces? - How many human hours are required in the washing / curing of the pieces from each method? - What is the…

> and the $6k price of Open Platform for the Form 3

The Form 4 Open Platform pricing is still "TBD," and given the two licenses for the Form 3 differ by $3k, it makes me shudder to think what they'd charge for their newest toy

I also was trying to understand what that license gives you: is it removing the DRM from their printers to allow non-OEM materials?

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Isn't the big downside to SLA prints that they have terrible structural integrity? Like worse than FDM prints?

I use both kinds very frequently so I can comment on this. The main difference is that SLA strength is more uniform and FDM strength is very directional.

And the strength of the output is highly dependent on the material for both printers. The typical resin is extremely brittle, but rather heat resistant. But you can get flexible or tough material which are both less brittle but also less rigid.

So to answer your question: not necessarily :) nylon-like SLA materials are pretty good for usable everyday items if you don't mind the slight fidelity losses (still better than FDM)

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