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Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation

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Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation

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Good. Finally something being done about this venue/ticket cartel

I paid $300 in fees on Sunday for two $365 tickets. Excited to see how this goes.

You paid nearly $1k for 2 tickets to a show? To me, you are part of the problem as acting as an enabler for these prices to be seen as acceptable.

Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation

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Who approved the Ticketmaster / Live Nation merger to begin with?

The merger was completed in 2010, so the Obama administration. However, the country was coming out of the great recession and the last thing the administration needed was bad PR for "stopping a merger that would prevent people from losing their jobs".

Your first sentence here is correct.

The second sentence is ridiculous. The Obama administration was pro-monopolist basically across the board for eight straight years. The record is pretty easy to understand.

Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation

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How bad do you have to be before the Gov files an antitrust suit these days? IE/Netscape bad or this apparently.

Biden admin has been on an antitrust tear. Most of the big tech companies have had cases filed against them.

Plenty of big corporate mergers have been blocked as well (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mergers-lose-their-shine-as-b...)

Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation

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I paid $300 in fees on Sunday for two $365 tickets. Excited to see how this goes.

You paid nearly $1k for 2 tickets to a show? To me, you are part of the problem as acting as an enabler for these prices to be seen as acceptable.

Seems harsh to blame somebody for simply paying to do something they enjoy when the alternative is just not doing it. Blame the monopoly, not the consumer.

Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation

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When was the last time the Justice Department actually broke up a monopoly? Don't these suits usually result in a fine and an agreement to stop doing XYZ while both parties wink and nod, then the government lawyers go work in lucrative private practice a few years later?

I believe it was the breakup of AT&T on Jan 1, 1982 (the result of a suit started in 1974).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System

Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation

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This is already a solved problem- look at how airline seats are handled.

Can you expand on this? It seems to me that a major difference between flight tickets and concert tickets is that when an airline overbooks they can switch you to a later flight. However, most concerts only perform once in a given city.

Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The merger was completed in 2010, so the Obama administration. However, the country was coming out of the great recession and the last thing the administration needed was bad PR for "stopping a merger that would prevent people from losing their jobs".

Your first sentence here is correct. The second sentence is ridiculous. The Obama administration was pro-monopolist basically across the board for eight straight years. The record is pretty easy to understand.

Yup. We are in our current predicament because the previous 4 or 5 administrations, whether D or R, have let corporations run amok with M&A and general anticompetitive behavior, offering only token resistance. Biden has finally signaled a shift in the last year or two, but it remains to be seen how far these actions will go (and how much Congress and the courts will allow).

Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation

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When was the last time the Justice Department actually broke up a monopoly? Don't these suits usually result in a fine and an agreement to stop doing XYZ while both parties wink and nod, then the government lawyers go work in lucrative private practice a few years later?

Yes this is basically correct. The lawsuits can also drag out for years. They can be avoided by late changes - for example Microsoft just removed Teams from Office bundles, and will get away with having caused damage to users and competitors for years. Congress has avoided the responsibility of passing new harsher antitrust legislation that simply skips the lawsuits and goes straight to fines.

Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation

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When was the last time the Justice Department actually broke up a monopoly? Don't these suits usually result in a fine and an agreement to stop doing XYZ while both parties wink and nod, then the government lawyers go work in lucrative private practice a few years later?

Yes this is basically correct. The lawsuits can also drag out for years. They can be avoided by late changes - for example Microsoft just removed Teams from Office bundles, and will get away with having caused damage to users and competitors for years. Congress has avoided the responsibility of passing new harsher antitrust legislation that simply skips the lawsuits and goes straight to fines.

> Congress has avoided the responsibility of passing new harsher antitrust legislation that simply skips the lawsuits and goes straight to fines.

How would that work? Do you have some example of proposed legislation around this?

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