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Discovering the xz backdoor with Andres Freund [audio]

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Re: Discovering the xz backdoor with Andres Freund [audio]

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I've only had a chance to listen to the beginning of it, but I share their disgust with the NYT article [1]. In any other field, journalists feel responsible for simplifying and explaining. Professionals in science, law, or medicine are often critical of these explanations, because the journalists' understanding of the relevant background material is often flawed, and the simplifications either ignore crucial distinc…

I don't understand the hate for the article. The article is written for a layperson audience, where the technical details would absolutely be eye-wateringly boring . Instead, the article (imo, correctly) focuses on the human side of the story: the fact that a highly detail oriented developer, working on unrelated software, stumbled across a small discrepancy in their measurements, triggering a series of events that l…

Not every criticism comes from a place of personal offense, and it's unreasonable to cast things you disagree with as its author having a case of the vapors. He's not insulting me and I'm not insulted; instead I think the article is bad for the reasons I explained. I could just as easily point out that you seem strangely offended by criticism of an article you did not write.

Again, the job of a journalist is to simplify and explain. Think about general-audience articles on subjects you're _not_ deeply familiar with. They typically do not patronize you or tell you that the details are boring; instead they try to explain the issues at hand in the most accessible way they can. Software is no different from science, law, or medicine in having lots of arcane terminology and intricate technical detail; it is not somehow the case that those topics can be simplified and explained but that a software problem can only be understood, even in concept and imprecisely, by a special cast of techno monks. But we seem to pretend it is, because we have strangely low standards for technology journalism.

Re: Discovering the xz backdoor with Andres Freund [audio]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the hate for the article. The article is written for a layperson audience, where the technical details would absolutely be eye-wateringly boring . Instead, the article (imo, correctly) focuses on the human side of the story: the fact that a highly detail oriented developer, working on unrelated software, stumbled across a small discrepancy in their measurements, triggering a series of events that l…

Not every criticism comes from a place of personal offense, and it's unreasonable to cast things you disagree with as its author having a case of the vapors. He's not insulting me and I'm not insulted; instead I think the article is bad for the reasons I explained. I could just as easily point out that you seem strangely offended by criticism of an article you did not write. Again, the job of a journalist is to simpl…

The point of the article though is not about the technical details, it's a human interest story. It's about a guy, working in obscurity on an unrelated topic, stumbling upon what is arguably the biggest story in tech so far in 2024. I still don't see how this shows "low standards" as I don't see any factual errors in the article.

As a technical person, I did not feel patronized by the article. My non-technical wife forwarded it to me, and she also did not feel patronized by the article. If he said "you're too stupid to understand", then, yeah, that'd be patronizing.

I'll just conclude this way- when I used to sit in IDA Pro all day reverse engineering malware, I didn't expect to carry on a conversation with a perfect stranger talking at length about the intricacies of static and dynamic analysis. I have myself made similar comments about how my job involves staring at thousands of lines of assembly code and that would probably be mindnumbingly boring for them. We both have a laugh. Sometimes they do have an interest, and I can make it sound really interesting by focusing on the outcomes of the work rather than the toil and frankly mindnumbing grind; but other times, they say, yea, that sounds crazy, and we move on.

Nobody ever felt insulted- it's as they say "different strokes for different folks." I have had folks in other fields say similar things to me about how I would find the details of their work boring. A lot of times I am intrigued and hold a conversation to learn more, other times I agree and move on. At no point am I offended or feel patronized, though, because I am confident that if I truly cared I could learn more myself or ask questions.

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