Balatro has definitely given Slay the Spire a lot of press, it's nice how they've gotten credit for their influence on that game
You phrased it like a particularly difficult Winograd schema sentence.
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#22I don't know how they can improve the game. Better art and music, but mechanically its already as close to perfect as you can get. I don't think a better balanced and mechanically rich deck builder exists.
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#23I don't know how they can improve the game. Better art and music, but mechanically its already as close to perfect as you can get. I don't think a better balanced and mechanically rich deck builder exists.
I would disagree that it is balanced.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why should it be satire? There's certainly more than a passing resemblance in the gameplay loop and general UI sensibilities between the two.
The idea that Balatro gave Slay the Spire press would be like saying that the release of Halo 1 really gave Doom a lot of press. Slay the Spire invented the entire genre.
Slay the spire was not the first ever deck building rogue like. It was maybe the first one that hit the recent zeitgeist and it was one of the first to be widely streamed on twitch.
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#25Nice to see godot getting more traction. I only just learned from discussion topics on steam that STS1 already runs on a free software engine/framework. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibGDX I entirely misremembered their press release about them migrating away from unity for an upcoming game.
It's too bad they didn't stick with LibGDX, but not surprisingly the console situation makes that difficult: https://libgdx.com/wiki/articles/console-support
I am actually surprised libGDX is still getting updates. I used it around 2015 for some game jams, but already the community activity was waning. Seems like development activity picked up post pandemic.
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#26I don't know how they can improve the game. Better art and music, but mechanically its already as close to perfect as you can get. I don't think a better balanced and mechanically rich deck builder exists.
I stopped playing it long ago because it is just too random. They added too much stuff which is often a problem in rouguelites.
There is a ton of better balanced deck builders out there. Personal opinion but monster train is much better balanced.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
The idea that Balatro gave Slay the Spire press would be like saying that the release of Halo 1 really gave Doom a lot of press. Slay the Spire invented the entire genre.
Slay the spire was not the first ever deck building rogue like. It was maybe the first one that hit the recent zeitgeist and it was one of the first to be widely streamed on twitch.
Doom was not the first ever first person shooter, but nobody called the genre "Wolfenstein clones" after Doom came out. Dark Souls wasn't the first punishing action RPG with limited save/load functionality, but nobody calls them "King's Field-likes"
There's something to be said for genre-codifying releases, even if they didn't straight up invent the genre.
Black Sabbath wasn't the first ever Metal band.
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#28I don't know how they can improve the game. Better art and music, but mechanically its already as close to perfect as you can get. I don't think a better balanced and mechanically rich deck builder exists.
I stopped playing it long ago because it is just too random. They added too much stuff which is often a problem in rouguelites. There is a ton of better balanced deck builders out there. Personal opinion but monster train is much better balanced.
It may be pretty random but the top players are able to amass winstreaks on A20 and have a lot of decks go infinite. Monster train may be a more fun casual game but the really serious players figured it out and abandoned it rather quickly for being too easy.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Slay the spire was not the first ever deck building rogue like. It was maybe the first one that hit the recent zeitgeist and it was one of the first to be widely streamed on twitch.
Doom was not the first ever first person shooter, but nobody called the genre "Wolfenstein clones" after Doom came out. Dark Souls wasn't the first punishing action RPG with limited save/load functionality, but nobody calls them "King's Field-likes" There's something to be said for genre- codifying releases, even if they didn't straight up invent the genre. Black Sabbath wasn't the first ever Metal band.
There's something to be said for genre-codifying releases, even if they didn't straight up invent the genre.
The issue is that the GP of your reply used the words "Slay the Spire invented the entire genre" which is simply not true. If they said "Slay the Spire popularized the genre" there wouldn't be a problem.
I think we as a society have this problem in general: giving too much credit to famous people/things and burying/diminishing that which influenced those people/their creators. Doubly relevant in this case because this entire discussion thread started with someone not properly giving credit to StS for influencing Balatro.
Slay the Spire is pretty clearly influenced by Dream Quest [1], a rather obscure game which does not even have its own website, just a fandom wiki page.
Edit: here's a fun Reddit post where a Dream Quest fan talks about the release of Slay the Spire [2].
[1] https://dream-quest.fandom.com/wiki/Dream_Quest_Wiki
[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamQuestIOS/comments/81snvy/slay_...
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#30The creators of Slay the Spire have talked about how they gathered statistics on player runs and used that to balance the game. Does anyone know other games that have done this? (Especially single player games.)
Evan Debenham, creator of Shattered Pixel Dungeon [1], gave a talk about how he makes balance and other changes to the game based on analytics gathered from the game’s players [2]. This is used to determine the relative strength of different aspects of the game by seeing how a player’s engagement with a particular aspect correlates with win rate. This, of course, needs to be checked by community feedback on changes t…
> perfect balance doesn’t always equal fun
The Fireball spell in D&D is a third-level spell, which means a spellcaster can get access to it at level 5. Compared to other third-level spells, and the power curve as a whole, fireball is overpowered since it does a large amount of damage over a large area, but it exists in the space it does because it's such an iconic and evocative spell/ability that feels so fun to use when it really hits that the designers want people to take it and use it.
That is to say, the spell is so fun to use (which I can confirm) that it's worth being unbalanced if it means more players get to experience it.