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Reviving an 800-Year-Old Japanese Tea Farm

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Re: Reviving an 800-Year-Old Japanese Tea Farm

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It's a little embarrassing that they didn't survive and now need to be revived. I mean there are 21 businesses in Japan that are over a thousand years old! https://www.theceomagazine.com/business/management-leadershi...

The one tea house in TFA has been in the family for 24 generations -- think of how many things that had to go right for that to happen.

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In my experience wild strawberries have an almost explosive aroma that is similar to but different from cultivated strawberries. In contrast to cultivated strawberries the sweetness is very subdued.

Perhaps you lived somewhere much warmer weather could ripen properly. North Wales has much to offer[1] but a tropic clime is not one of them. [1] rain, rocks, sheep, rain, snow, rain, coal, slate, rain, sheep with rain, rocks and sheep with rain, rain.

Come visit Germany during strawberry season :)

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When I went to Japan last time I asked about tea places and people would tell me "we don't drink tea outside, we drink it at home". I also remember an article a few years ago about dying Japanese tea tradition, somewhat related to the proliferation of instant tea dispersal machines and those 7-11 tea walls. What I would like to know is why contrary to Japan, there are Tea farms of all sizes everywhere. There are doze…

Tea shops in Taiwan mostly sell bubble/boba tea, which is drenched in syrup and artificial flavors and the actual leaves themselves are an afterthought at best. The latest wave of higher-end places like Chicha San Chen are placing the focus back on good quality tea and proper brewing, but these are still a minority and it's still far, far away from the austere world of Japanese tea ceremony. https://chichasanchennorc…

That is absolutely not true. It's hard to describe just how wrong your assessment of Taiwan's tea situation. The only way I can imagine you coming to that conclusion is that your experience with Taiwan tea is walking through the Ximen night market, but you just walk around random neighbourhoods in Taipei you'll find dozens of Tea shops. If you spend a little time driving through Taiwan's mountains you'll find plenty of Tea plantations, some of them with tea shops attached to them and others not.

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What’s in that tea? Something more than caffeine if people are taking trips with it.

Green tea also contains l-theanine, which interacts with caffeine uptake. Anecdotal but after having a pot of tea at a tea shop in Sheung Wan in Hong Kong I was high as a kite for a while afterwards in a way I’ve never experienced before or after, although I wouldn’t describe it as psychedelic - more stimulant.

Getting "Tea Drunk" is a common pursuit for many fine tea drinkers, myself included. My partner and I enjoy cultivars that give you a buzz. I went down a rabbit hole in trying different varieties and we found some that can only be drunk at the end of the day after work, else you'd write off the rest of the day. We had an aged white tea once that made us giggle like we were on shrooms, without all the overwhelming side effects or fear of a "bad trip".

I started watching "Mei Leaf", who's a YouTuber with a deep knowledge of tea and gong fu style brewing specifically and was hooked. He's got a video on getting tea drunk specifically that made me hunt the feeling initially: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrLaKX9J8Uo

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I kinda have this idea that while psychedelics like LSD are the easiest to catch a ride with, it is specifically tea that can get you furthest. When I was reading "Dream of the Red Chamber" some of the descriptions of tea drinking were really psychedelic, like being transported into a different realm of heavenly purity that permeates everything with effortless perfection, etc. Certainly I never experienced anything l…

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I kinda have this idea that while psychedelics like LSD are the easiest to catch a ride with, it is specifically tea that can get you furthest. When I was reading "Dream of the Red Chamber" some of the descriptions of tea drinking were really psychedelic, like being transported into a different realm of heavenly purity that permeates everything with effortless perfection, etc. Certainly I never experienced anything l…

That's correct. Puerh tea particularly has very strong "ChaQi" which is (part of) why people prize it so much. Some other teas have it as well, and it's really not just caffeine but something much more interesting and deeper. Real ancient tree puerh (for example [1]) or very old tea are excellent examples of teas with a lot of ChaQi

[1] [link redacted] Edit: both the site and the rambling about this tea and its ChaQi are mine (it's the best example I could think of from the top of my head)

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Very much agreed. Even within my lifetime things have changed for the better ('better' = nicer for humans). When I was a kid aubergines had a strong bitterness that had to be soaked out of them with salt and water, and not with perfect success. Modern aubergines completely lack that bitterness. Wild strawberries sound great but they are tiny, ripen very unevenly and don't even taste that exciting. The breeding of gra…

Wild strawberries are absolutely wonderful compared to cultivars you can buy.

100% this.

I never liked strawberries much until I my ex-fiancée took me for an afternoon picking wild ones in the beech forest above a fjord in southern Norway (near Porsgrunn). Only the size of garden peas, but a taste explosion in the mouth: intense flavour and intoxicating sweetness. Absolutely wonderful.

The giant store-bought things are pale and uninteresting by comparison. I can't eat them. They are like the ghosts of fruit.

My friend's wild strawberries in his garden in South Moravia are nearly as good. Similarly tiny, similarly intense.

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What’s in that tea? Something more than caffeine if people are taking trips with it.

Green tea also contains l-theanine, which interacts with caffeine uptake. Anecdotal but after having a pot of tea at a tea shop in Sheung Wan in Hong Kong I was high as a kite for a while afterwards in a way I’ve never experienced before or after, although I wouldn’t describe it as psychedelic - more stimulant.

Adding my own experience, I take 200MG L-Theanine supplements daily and there is a noticeable calmness. It used in combination with Caffeine a lot to soothe the jitters. There isn't a known LD50 and I've taken up to 600MG, at best I can say it's borderline euphoric. Nowhere comparable to LSD even at the 20MCG level

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Wild strawberries are absolutely wonderful compared to cultivars you can buy.

100% this. I never liked strawberries much until I my ex-fiancée took me for an afternoon picking wild ones in the beech forest above a fjord in southern Norway (near Porsgrunn). Only the size of garden peas, but a taste explosion in the mouth: intense flavour and intoxicating sweetness. Absolutely wonderful. The giant store-bought things are pale and uninteresting by comparison. I can't eat them. They are like the g…

Interesting. I wonder if it's the difference in climate (does Norway get hot in summer?) or in species of strawberry or both. Sounds like you got the better deal anyway.

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Green tea also contains l-theanine, which interacts with caffeine uptake. Anecdotal but after having a pot of tea at a tea shop in Sheung Wan in Hong Kong I was high as a kite for a while afterwards in a way I’ve never experienced before or after, although I wouldn’t describe it as psychedelic - more stimulant.

Getting "Tea Drunk" is a common pursuit for many fine tea drinkers, myself included. My partner and I enjoy cultivars that give you a buzz. I went down a rabbit hole in trying different varieties and we found some that can only be drunk at the end of the day after work, else you'd write off the rest of the day. We had an aged white tea once that made us giggle like we were on shrooms, without all the overwhelming sid…

Wow did not realize this was a thing. Thanks for sharing this video.

OT but the host is using some kind of phone app to pull autofocus … anyone know what that is?

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