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Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)

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Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)

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post #6

This is total garbage lol. You can absolutely watch cars move out of the way when motorcycles with loud pipes come through... Its amazing to experience on your own as well.

Move? I'm staying in my lane. And I can't hear them if they're behind me.

In California traffic they can lane split so many drivers when they hear a bike coming up (or see one) will hug the outside of the lane to allow them space to safely pass.

Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)

#22

If motorcycles require loud pipes to be safe, they should probably be banned altogether - but I don't really think it is necessary to have loud pipes.

That's one, very narrow way of viewing it. Another would be that cars lack the necessary visibility to be safe. No one in their right mind would advocate to banning cars. Instead, sensors could be employed to make up for the lack of visibility in cars. This should maybe be the topic of discussion, to introduce these types of safety sensors as essential. ABS breaks weren't the norm a few decades ago, so why not start…

I advocate for banning cars.

Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)

#23
post #7

If motorcycles require loud pipes to be safe, they should probably be banned altogether - but I don't really think it is necessary to have loud pipes.

Bikes are perfectly safe. It's car drivers who aren't.

This. Guns don‘t kill people, people kill people. And for every bad toddler with a gun, we better have two good toddlers with a gun.

Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)

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If they really did save lives, you would think the highway patrol officers who rely on their bikes for their safety and entire professional existence would be equipped with them. No, this is just obnoxious leisure bikers wanting to justify their unnecessary noise they inflict on the rest of us.

Most police bikes I see in the US are Harleys, I don't think they're buying anything out of practicality. If they were, you'd see a lot more BMW police motorcycles.

Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)

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Not only does the sound from bikes not reduce traffic violence, the sound itself causes immense amounts of measurable and real harm in the form of noise pollution. Many studies are confirming that noise pollution causes way more damage to the health of human beings than we realized.

Obviously, some things in the world are necessarily loud, like a jet engine on a plane. Or they are loud with a meaningful purpose, like a big sound system at a concert. But some things are unnecessarily loud with no purpose. Mostly vehicles with modified exhaust and sound systems, but also some other things.

If the noise pollution studies are accurate, reducing or eliminating these sounds will extends the lives of untold numbers of people. People will be healthier thanks to getting better sleep not being woken up. People will have lower blood pressure, and therefore reduce heart disease. People will have less road rage, which will in turn reduce traffic violence.

How do we actually reduce these sounds? Our current policies are not working. Fining people, impounding vehicles, I don't believe any of that will work. It will simply create revenues for the government.

But what solutions does our current society offer that will work? The criminal justice system is not a solution, and will simply cause even more harms. Any solution I can think of that will work is ludicrous and unrealistic.

The best thing I can think of is to simply ban the import or manufacture of the exhaust pipes to begin with. If the supply of them is greatly reduced, and the prices go way up, that could go a long way. It's too much to enforce any restriction one by one. It has to be from the top.

Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)

#26

If they really did save lives, you would think the highway patrol officers who rely on their bikes for their safety and entire professional existence would be equipped with them. No, this is just obnoxious leisure bikers wanting to justify their unnecessary noise they inflict on the rest of us.

Most police bikes I see in the US are Harleys, I don't think they're buying anything out of practicality. If they were, you'd see a lot more BMW police motorcycles.

US police buy almost exclusively domestic vehicles.

Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)

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I can't find it anymore, but I remember seeing some article or infographic about how many 10 thousand people are loosing sleep whenever one person is driving with a loud pipe through an urban area at night. I get why you love your pipe and your car and driving and everything, but ultimately everything is broken when it comes to urban areas.

Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)

#28
post #7

If motorcycles require loud pipes to be safe, they should probably be banned altogether - but I don't really think it is necessary to have loud pipes.

Bikes are perfectly safe. It's car drivers who aren't.

As a driver, the only times I've had near-accidents with bikes have been when they came up on me unexpectedly. Like left side shoulder when I'm stuck in traffic in the left lane.

I only got my license a few years ago, public transport works quite well here in Norway, seems I haven't yet learned all the sneaky ways bike riders can surprise ya.

That said, I see idiots behind the wheel causing near crashes several times a week so yeah I guess as a rider those scare you a lot more.

Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one, very narrow way of viewing it. Another would be that cars lack the necessary visibility to be safe. No one in their right mind would advocate to banning cars. Instead, sensors could be employed to make up for the lack of visibility in cars. This should maybe be the topic of discussion, to introduce these types of safety sensors as essential. ABS breaks weren't the norm a few decades ago, so why not start…

I advocate for banning cars.

I also advocate banning cars. The greatest mistake our society has made. Not too late to correct it.
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