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Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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The refund is probably not worth the time spent building the case but it sends a valuable message. Keep your promises.

I would be surprised if Asus even sends a lawyer to defend against small claims. Might be better to form a class action.

If this went down the small claims track in the UK then ASUS wouldn’t bother with a lawyer because you’re not allowed to reclaim legal costs in the small claims court. So unless ASUS thinks they’re gonna see a flood of similar claims happening, then the cost of a lawyer would probably be triple the cost of settling, or even winning the case.

Also class action cases are very rare in the UK. In the past the courts have generally refused to approve class action cases. It not like in the U.S. where there’s a cottage industry around class action cases. I’ve personally never heard of a class action case happening in the UK, I know they do happen, but they’re so rare that they don’t make it into the news, and most people will never involved in one either directly or indirectly.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#22
post #15

The refund is probably not worth the time spent building the case but it sends a valuable message. Keep your promises.

I would be surprised if Asus even sends a lawyer to defend against small claims. Might be better to form a class action.

> I would be surprised if Asus even sends a lawyer to defend against small claims.

Wouldn't that be a good reason to do small claims? I can't imagine why I'd want to wait for years in a class action when I can just do a small claims.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Long is gone the time where unlocking bootloaders and installing custom ROMs was the best path to follow. Even if you are able to unlock it (with difficulties such as this one, or others that involve opening the device and soldering a shortcut), you will have a device where apps check for unlocked bootloaders and rooted OS, and forbid you from use the application.

If you root, you can bypass those issues in most cases. I have 3 apps detecting it, that I can bypass, and only the German health insurance app from TK detects it (according to the internet, it's getting past most solutions somehow). It's not something I'd recommend the average person, but for people who care enough to fiddle, it's still the best way.

I think since my first Android (HTC Desire Z/T-Mobile G2) I spent a total of 1 week on stock, never was a fan of any of them.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#24

The refund is probably not worth the time spent building the case but it sends a valuable message. Keep your promises.

There probably wasn’t much time spent building the case. Generally solicitors aren’t involved in these cases because it’s not possible to reclaim legal costs, regardless of who wins. Instead most people just represent themselves, and companies will often just send a local manager to represent them. So super low stakes legal process, where in the worst case scenario your out of pocket for the filing costs (£70) plus reasonable expenses for the other party (travel costs, lost earnings etc) which are all tightly capped, so unlikely to more than another £100-£200.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#25

Long is gone the time where unlocking bootloaders and installing custom ROMs was the best path to follow. Even if you are able to unlock it (with difficulties such as this one, or others that involve opening the device and soldering a shortcut), you will have a device where apps check for unlocked bootloaders and rooted OS, and forbid you from use the application.

Stock ROMs are still filled with ads and useless extras, rarely providing meaningful features over an AOSP like LineageOS.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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post #16
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Long is gone the time where unlocking bootloaders and installing custom ROMs was the best path to follow. ...wha? I just installed GrapheneOS on my Pixel 8 Pro and it is, by a decent margin, the best custom ROM experience on a phone I've had to date.

>GrapheneOS This was not a project I expected to use Discord for support. Sad.

https://grapheneos.org/contact#community

> Our chat rooms are bridged across Discord, Telegram and Matrix so you can choose your preferred platform.

> We have an official forum for longer form posts, which is publicly accessible and easier to search. We are using Flarum for our forum.

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/

If they mandated discord as a closed support community sure, but you can't be too upset by the mere affiliation with a discord channel when they also offer all the above

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#27
post #4

>Given that ASUS has one of the worst software support commitments in the Android world [...] It started removing posts about bootloader unlocking in its ZenTalk forums. Which is why I never understood why Asus Zenfone kept being recommended on HN all the time when people asked for good android phones to buy. I thought this community appreciated long SW support. I think the people recommending it were not dogfooding…

Tbh I don't share the sentiment that the community appreciates long SW support. Otherwise we'd see Windows being recommended over Linux more often.

Lol, I guess Linux did just drop 386 and 486 a couple years ago.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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post #8

>Given that ASUS has one of the worst software support commitments in the Android world [...] It started removing posts about bootloader unlocking in its ZenTalk forums. Which is why I never understood why Asus Zenfone kept being recommended on HN all the time when people asked for good android phones to buy. I thought this community appreciated long SW support. I think the people recommending it were not dogfooding…

The Zenfones mainly carved out a following because they're the smallest flagship-tier Android phones on the market. Asus has terrible support, but if you want a small-ish device there isn't a great deal of choice nowadays.

Also, it's one of the rare remaining flagship-tier phone who still allows headphone jack, which is the main reason why I bought a Zenfone last year.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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post #4

>Given that ASUS has one of the worst software support commitments in the Android world [...] It started removing posts about bootloader unlocking in its ZenTalk forums. Which is why I never understood why Asus Zenfone kept being recommended on HN all the time when people asked for good android phones to buy. I thought this community appreciated long SW support. I think the people recommending it were not dogfooding…

Tbh I don't share the sentiment that the community appreciates long SW support. Otherwise we'd see Windows being recommended over Linux more often.

You mean Microsoft Windows which dropped support for Zen 1 with Win11 not even 5 years after Zen 1 was released? Meanwhile, Linux will still run on a 30+ year old CPU...
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