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Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by sneak »

bacro wrote: post #14
sneak wrote: post #4

I wish more countries recognized the ultimate and inviolable right to self ownership. If we aren’t free to destroy ourselves if we so desire, we aren’t actually free.

I agree with that when the problem is irreversible and will cause unending pain for the person. However, this case does not seem like it. If she had like Parkinson or Alzheimer then I would understand but depression? There are very good anti-depressants that help go through if she cannot find another way to cope. Also, there might be something physically wrong that doctors might have overlooked which causes her depre…

You should always be free to destroy yourself absent any medical reason or justification. It is a personal decision and there is no reason anyone should be required to explain or justify it.

We don’t require a medical reason to enhance or build our bodies, we don’t need one to damage or destroy them.

I’m already allowed to eat fried foods 10 times a day and chainsmoke and do it slowly and painfully; if that is legal then anyone should be allowed to do it in a quick, painless, and dignified fashion.

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Post by zer00eyz »

noname120 wrote: post #8

I wonder if she tried MAOIs. Those are criminally underused. https://www.psychotropical.com/10-patient-stories-a-long-sto...

Maybe because leftovers can kill you if you're on them.

They have gnarly side effects. SSRI's as well.

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Post by xeornet »

iagooar wrote: post #5

I am terrified of the thought of legally killing people and this article has made me feel quite odd, even slightly sick I would say. My gut just screams at me: this is wrong. And I cannot help. The rational arguments do not convince me at all. Call me old fashioned or whatever but this is how I feel about it, and since there is an article about this I imagine that there might be certain interest in this being out of…

Totally agree.

It also begs the question, are the people in these situations even mentally fit enough to make the decision rationally? With the limited context I have, I don’t think so.

There’d also a lot of reliance on the doctor’s “its never going to get better” - yet time and time again with physical ailments we hear of the impossibility of recovery yet many do recover.

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Post by bheadmaster »

croes wrote: post #6

So the other way aroun, physical sick and mentally healthy, isn't a problem? Isn't it about curability and pain?

I believe this is yet another case of people being skeptical about the very existence of mental illness.

Euthanasia for incurable cancer patients is a no-brainer, but for incurable depression sufferers? Well, their bodies are healthy. What if it's just a phase they'll grow out of? Maybe they're just faking it? They should probably be more grateful for the gifts they've received from God, and they'll be happy. Maybe they're just bad people?

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Post by Jenk »

bheadmaster wrote: post #9
bowsamic wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to make an argument that freedom is inherently good, which is not obvious to me. I think it's good to force people to do things in many situations

> You have to make an argument that freedom is inherently good, which is not obvious to me Your next sentence holds that assumption as obvious: > I think it's good to force people to do things in many situations Why do you think you should have freedom to even think, let alone decide, what is good for other people?

"You're not allowed to rape" is a pretty strong example.

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Post by bvrmn »

iagooar wrote: post #5

I am terrified of the thought of legally killing people and this article has made me feel quite odd, even slightly sick I would say. My gut just screams at me: this is wrong. And I cannot help. The rational arguments do not convince me at all. Call me old fashioned or whatever but this is how I feel about it, and since there is an article about this I imagine that there might be certain interest in this being out of…

I hope you equally fill bad for tens of thousands of civilians dying without any consent because some "leader" decided to play a war.

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Post by emblaegh »

Haven't read the article, but does it say why'd she go for euthanasia? I'd imagine there are dignified ways of bringing this matter into one's own hands.

Edit: I think this may have come off as “geez just kill yourself and spare us the drama”, but I’m just genuinely curious why’d she choose one over the other whenever I assume she has the means to pursue both.

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Post by [deleted] »

iagooar wrote: post #5

I am terrified of the thought of legally killing people and this article has made me feel quite odd, even slightly sick I would say. My gut just screams at me: this is wrong. And I cannot help. The rational arguments do not convince me at all. Call me old fashioned or whatever but this is how I feel about it, and since there is an article about this I imagine that there might be certain interest in this being out of…

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Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by bowsamic »

xanderlewis wrote: post #19
bowsamic wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to make an argument that freedom is inherently good, which is not obvious to me. I think it's good to force people to do things in many situations

> You have to make an argument that freedom is inherently good Or accept it as axiomatic.

If you accept something as an axiom and other people don't then it's not a very good axiom. I.e., you will have to justify yourself and your actions to others, who think your actions are wrong. Besides, an axiom is something assumed because the way that the ideas are built off of them are interesting, not because the axiom and the result are unquestionable.
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