To do that I figure I would need about 5-6 minutes of video per chapter (perhaps less with some looping), and the ability to DL the video or otherwise export it (assuming I can upload my other media into your Composite tool) to put on YT or the like. And would probably want to lose the watermark in that case as well.
Launch HN: Eggnog (YC W24) – AI videos with consistent characters
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#22Pricing? I'd like to use something like this to do an animated version of one of my books, but I'd want to be able to add music and obviously voices. I don't need lip sync since I'm looking for more of a video of a scene, perhaps with a character or two in that scene but not actually trying to fully animate them. To do that I figure I would need about 5-6 minutes of video per chapter (perhaps less with some looping),…
Re: Launch HN: Eggnog (YC W24) – AI videos with consistent characters
#23I use stable diffusion and LoRAs frequently so I'm wondering what you hope to offer beyond that? I would love to see something that develops 3d models from these generations, is that the area you're looking to explore? More thoughts here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18eIfWb0wug
Re: Launch HN: Eggnog (YC W24) – AI videos with consistent characters
#24Pricing? I'd like to use something like this to do an animated version of one of my books, but I'd want to be able to add music and obviously voices. I don't need lip sync since I'm looking for more of a video of a scene, perhaps with a character or two in that scene but not actually trying to fully animate them. To do that I figure I would need about 5-6 minutes of video per chapter (perhaps less with some looping),…
Eggnog is free to use. And that is a cool use case! You can download the videos right now, but they do have a watermark. In the new-term future, you will be able to host the videos directly on Eggnog without a watermark.
If so, then what is the plan (if any) to monetize for creators?
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eggnog is free to use. And that is a cool use case! You can download the videos right now, but they do have a watermark. In the new-term future, you will be able to host the videos directly on Eggnog without a watermark.
OK, but if I want to put it on YT will I be able to? Or is the model that you are trying to drive traffic to your site rather than provide video generation? If so, then what is the plan (if any) to monetize for creators?
Re: Launch HN: Eggnog (YC W24) – AI videos with consistent characters
#26Congrats on launching. Will play around.
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#27This is an important problem. Just curious though - how do you plan on competing against OpenAI etc? Or will you guys just compete on developer experience and integrations, and wrap around popular OSS / OpenAI models?
We're not going to compete on having the best model -- at least that's the plan. We'll wrap around open source models or whatever we can license. We will compete on having the best library of assets (characters, sets, sounds etc) for putting videos together. We like this plan because 1. most people don't like a blank canvas where they have to create everything from scratch, they'd rather be able to assemble things to…
Eventually, you should probably mention this on your website: a broad range of starter projects and high quality assets, etc.
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#28Given all that, I believe that an adequate compensation for unethical sourcing in AI - the absolute best we can do for humanity - is this:
1. We admit that the works are unethically sourced, which means they could be banned the future, and may require switching to an "ethical piracy" distribution model
2. We ensure that the models produced this way belong to the entirety of the humanity by default, by distributing them for free under copy left licenses like GPL3
3. We abstain from monetizing or otherwise drawing revenue or profit from unethically sourced models
4. We assemble zero cost service models for the AI, drawing on volunteers to publicly pool compute
Case Study: Whisper
I follow these guides in my own work on OpenAI's Whisper. Whisper can do much good for humanity, as it allows them to freely transcribe and translate speech, meeting a core human communication need.
But whisper needs many improvements before it is a freely available service making an impact in millions of people's lives, for zero cost. To that end I'm building extensions that let people pool CPUs and other cheap hardware to put together independent and free transcription services based on whisper. I'm building rapid customization models to help people with accents. And I'm building real-time feedback and correction models to enhance the accuracy of the naive model
Yes, even here we are faced with the possibility of future bans, especially given the unethically sourced nature of whispers training set. That means I have chosen to abstain from ever collecting revenue through my whisper work, and consider my whisper work to be my contribution towards the legacy of all of humanity.
I encourage you to consider the upsides of this form of engagement.
Objection: How Do I Feed Myself?
Yes, this model requires you to have a fully ethical alternative business that you run. I support myself on about 25k-60k of CAD design revenue through my semi-automated CAD reverse engineering service, which is based on fully ethical automation models that I built by hand and calibrated ethically on my own work stream.
Objection: This does not protect us from bans.
No, adopting this model does not prevent the law from banning models like yours in the future. It can even enable legal audits of your code, and make you seen as a "flight risk" - someone likely to continue illegally distributing models for ethical reasons, even after they have been banned for legal reasons. I have no good answer here yet.
Closing Statement: Choose the ethical high ground. It is Based, and that will guide you.
I encourage you to see this strategy as "Ethically Based". I define Ethical Basedness as a form of true ethical high ground that can guide you towards the best contribution you can make towards the shared knowledge of humanity.
Given the extreme ethical quandaries of attempting to monetize a proprietary service on top of unethical AI, you stand to lose that higher ethical authority, and be cut off from its guidance. But you have an opportunity, now and in the future, to pick it back up.
Good luck and keep up the good work. I hope I have moved your views, rather than merely agitating your feelings. I hope you will embrace the need for a free and openly shared AI legacy for all humanity.
Overcome the ethical quandaries of AI sourcing by giving it away.
Provide freely for the core human needs of creativity and visual story telling.
Consider it.
Re: Launch HN: Eggnog (YC W24) – AI videos with consistent characters
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're not going to compete on having the best model -- at least that's the plan. We'll wrap around open source models or whatever we can license. We will compete on having the best library of assets (characters, sets, sounds etc) for putting videos together. We like this plan because 1. most people don't like a blank canvas where they have to create everything from scratch, they'd rather be able to assemble things to…
This seems really wise. I often want to start with something that looks decent, and feed my content into it, as opposed to trying to develop everything from scratch. Eventually, you should probably mention this on your website: a broad range of starter projects and high quality assets, etc.
Re: Launch HN: Eggnog (YC W24) – AI videos with consistent characters
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're not going to compete on having the best model -- at least that's the plan. We'll wrap around open source models or whatever we can license. We will compete on having the best library of assets (characters, sets, sounds etc) for putting videos together. We like this plan because 1. most people don't like a blank canvas where they have to create everything from scratch, they'd rather be able to assemble things to…
I see, I guess the Canva playbook could work here.