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Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by matthew-wegner »

I'm in game development, and I run ESXi for two reasons:

* Unmodified macOS guest VMs can run under ESXi (if you're reading this on macOS, you have an Apple-made VMXNet3 network adapter driver on your system--see /System/Library/Extensions/IONetworkingFamily.kext/Contents/PlugIns/AppleVmxnet3Ethernet.kext )

* Accelerated 3D has reasonable guest support, even as pure software. You wouldn't want to work in one of those guest VMs, but for any sort of build agent it should be fine, including opening i.e. Unity editor itself in-VM to diagnose something

Does anyone know where either of these things stand with Proxmox today?

I imagine macOS VM under Proxmox is basically a hackintosh with i.e. OpenCore as bootloader?

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by rwmj »

bityard wrote: post #19
rwmj wrote: post #15

Does this do the hard bit, ie installing virtio drivers during conversion?

All of the most popular Linux distros tend have the virtio drivers installed by default.

Not in the initramfs which is rather important if you want them to boot without having to use slow emulated IDE. Then there's Windows guests.

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by [deleted] »

matthew-wegner wrote: post #21

I'm in game development, and I run ESXi for two reasons: * Unmodified macOS guest VMs can run under ESXi (if you're reading this on macOS, you have an Apple-made VMXNet3 network adapter driver on your system--see /System/Library/Extensions/IONetworkingFamily.kext/Contents/PlugIns/AppleVmxnet3Ethernet.kext ) * Accelerated 3D has reasonable guest support, even as pure software. You wouldn't want to work in one of those…

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Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

rwmj wrote: post #17
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #3

Very swift move by Proxmox. For context, VMware recently increased their prices as much as 1200% for some customers.

Tons of products like this have existed for years. Virt-v2v (which I wrote) since 2007/8, Platespin, Xen XCP, AWS's tooling, Azure Migrate etc.

Yes, that’s true. But this is not about the product but about business practices of Broadcom. They tend to do sharp price increases when they purchase a product line.

ServeTheHome talked about this a while ago. https://youtu.be/peH4ic7g5yc

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by fh973 »

blaerk wrote: post #7

I really hope the crazy prize increase of vmware products will end the use of esxi and the rest of the vsphere suite, it is one of the worst applications and apis i have ever had the displeasure of working with!

I really hope that the price increase creates a business opportunity for new technology. This space has been plagued by subpar "free" alternatives (Openstack, Kubernetes) for a decade.

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

blaerk wrote: post #7

I really hope the crazy prize increase of vmware products will end the use of esxi and the rest of the vsphere suite, it is one of the worst applications and apis i have ever had the displeasure of working with!

We went from $66 last year to $3600 this year.

There won’t be another year.

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by irusensei »

zer00eyz wrote: post #8

I have been running proxmox at home for a few months now. It has been, to say the least, an adventure. And I have nothing but good things to say about Proxmox at this point. Its running not only my home related items (MQTT, Homeassitant), it also plays host to some of the projects I'm working on (postgres, go apps, etc...) rather than runing some sort of local dev. If you need to exit vmware, proxmox seems like a goo…

I appreciate projects like Proxmox but it must be also said that you can achieve same functionality sans the UI with tools available on most Linux distributions: libvirt, lx{c,d}, podman etc.

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by mysteria »

matthew-wegner wrote: post #21

I'm in game development, and I run ESXi for two reasons: * Unmodified macOS guest VMs can run under ESXi (if you're reading this on macOS, you have an Apple-made VMXNet3 network adapter driver on your system--see /System/Library/Extensions/IONetworkingFamily.kext/Contents/PlugIns/AppleVmxnet3Ethernet.kext ) * Accelerated 3D has reasonable guest support, even as pure software. You wouldn't want to work in one of those…

The SPICE backend has decent OpenGL 3D support with software rendering, it's slow but it works for simple graphics. It's intended for 2D so the desktop's pretty fast IMO. That only works for Linux and Windows guests though, not Apple ones.

MacOS VMs do work in Proxmox with a Hackintosh setup but you pretty much have to passthrough a GPU to the VM if you're using the GUI. Otherwise you're stuck with the Apple VNC remote desktop and that's unbearably slow.

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