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Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control

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Re: Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control

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Post by stephenitis »

sshine wrote: post #18
stephenitis wrote: post #16

Anecdote. I saw him talk on stage ant Psychedelic Science '23 about his MDMA experiences and he recounted how in his 3-4th experience he did it alone and at home and he felt nothing but hours of anger and rage. He didn't go into more detail about it but it raised an a big eyebrow and left me confused how that could happen. sudden anger seemed to be reflected in the witness accounts from ex girlfriends and a recent Yo…

Huberman gets angry. Huberman didn’t treat his girlfriend nice. Huberman ditched a journalist on a vacation. Are we trying to cancel Huberman for being a human?

His behavior being oddly shifty with appointments, scheduled dates, delaying delaying delay, and then canceling last minute, sort of points to his pattern of lying and how messy his tangle of lies and schedule got.

In a business, where science, truth, and integrity are core to his brand. I think this really damaged his image.

I think he really needs to respond and not just brush aside these allegations against his character. Admitting real fault and harm and seeking help would've shown some humility and maturity. No one is perfect, but in an industry where you talk about how to optimize your health, mental, physical and relationships. It's a bad look.

I will say that I have personally benefited from some of his presentations and discussions with experts on various topics like eye health. For that I am grateful.

I will also say, some of his podcasts lacked tighter presentation and would veer into questionable science or studies.

Re: Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control

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Post by sshine »

stephenitis wrote: post #21
sshine wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huberman gets angry. Huberman didn’t treat his girlfriend nice. Huberman ditched a journalist on a vacation. Are we trying to cancel Huberman for being a human?

His behavior being oddly shifty with appointments, scheduled dates, delaying delaying delay, and then canceling last minute, sort of points to his pattern of lying and how messy his tangle of lies and schedule got. In a business, where science, truth, and integrity are core to his brand. I think this really damaged his image. I think he really needs to respond and not just brush aside these allegations against his ch…

Okay, so:

Huberman does not cancel appointments in good time.

I’ll keep that in mind if I ever make an appointment with him.

Re: Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control

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Post by stephenitis »

sshine wrote: post #22
stephenitis wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His behavior being oddly shifty with appointments, scheduled dates, delaying delaying delay, and then canceling last minute, sort of points to his pattern of lying and how messy his tangle of lies and schedule got. In a business, where science, truth, and integrity are core to his brand. I think this really damaged his image. I think he really needs to respond and not just brush aside these allegations against his ch…

Okay, so: Huberman does not cancel appointments in good time. I’ll keep that in mind if I ever make an appointment with him.

you do that.

Re: Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control

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Post by randycupertino »

huberway wrote: post #6

There's something real here. As someone whose life has been changed by Huberman's advice, I have to say that systemic lying in his personal relationships makes me doubt the soundness of information on his podcast. Over the last three years, he's slowly moved out of his area of expertise and into fameland, interviewing whoever has a new book out or has a brand name and opinions. There is less and less scientific found…

How he totes "Stanford, Stanford, Stanford" in his bio and credentials but lives in LA and barely goes to his empty shell of a lab operated by 1 grad student on her own grant is more damning than any of the personal life drama imo.

He wants to be a full time fameball snake oil like Dr. Oz, not a real academic researcher. He's a quack in academic clothing imo.

Re: Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control

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Post by gaara87 »

bittercynic wrote: post #8
Nathanael_M wrote: post #3

The stunning "gotcha" of this witch hunt (undoubtedly brought on by his proximity to individuals that the author doesn't like) is that Andrew Huberman was a bad boyfriend, weirdly flaky in his social life, and not an expert in all of the 100s of topics he discusses on his podcast (usually discussed with actual experts in the topics). Okay... Listen, if we stopped deriving information, education, or entertainment from…

I've listened to a few episodes of the podcast, and enjoyed them, but I think he sometimes acts as though he is a model of how to live a healthy, well balanced life, and this article is a pretty convincing account that he isn't.

> but I think he sometimes acts as though he is a model of how to live a healthy

I think he more often tells listeners that x is the findings and suggests behavioral changes. Its hard to count the number of times his message comes across as "model your protocols after me".

Re: Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control

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Post by gaara87 »

000ooo000 wrote: post #15

Of the alcohol episode, the article says: >While he claims repeatedly that he doesn’t want to “demonize alcohol,” he fails to mask his obvious disapproval of anyone who consumes alcohol in any quantity. I've listened to that ep a couple of times and not once did I come away with that impression, even remotely. This article is kind of garbage.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I even went back to some of his episodes to hear his messaging and I cannot see where these reporters are getting this from.

I'm thinking this is some kind of bias by these "journalists" who just want to tag on to whatever is trending right now. I really wonder how many of them actually listened to his episodes or the things he says, especially about alcohol.

Re: Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control

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Post by RangerScience »

Handprint4469 wrote: post #5

From the article: > Sarah was, in fact, changing. She felt herself getting smaller, constantly appeasing. She apologized, again and again and again. “I have been selfish, childish, and confused,” she said. “As a result, I need your protection.” A spokesperson for Huberman denies Sarah’s accounts of their fights, Having played around with local LLM chatbots using different models and templates ("characters"), I find t…

Manipulation always involves diminishment.

Abuse always involves isolation.

Coercion always involves fatigue.

Symptom; method; cause; tool; good ends or bad; doesn’t matter. If X is present, Y is also present.

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