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Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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And the state really shouldn’t care about these few. Probably rich enough to move but don’t want because blah blah.

"Few"? Almost no-one wants to live next door to an airport.

I think they meant: For any given site, theres proportionally 'few' people that would be disadvantaged

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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> As air travel greatly expanded in the 1960s and 70s, there were “no more virulent domestic conflicts… in the advanced industrial world than those over airport construction.” I can't keep reading this article seriously. Civil rights movements are the obvious domestic conflict at the time, but even in transportation this is wrong. There were huge conflicts in "highway revolts" [1] or conflicts over suburbanization, u…

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Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Very interesting to see how the noise of jet engines declined significantly. While reading the article I kept thinking, it feels like investing in noise reduction would really pay off, and then a few paragraphs later, there it was. I'm also intrigued by small airports, like the one in Rio, Santos Dumont. The shortest runways in the world. If you could reduce noise and control pollution, it is very nice to have an air…

Going from 120-110 down to 100-90 isnt really a significant decline, it went from unbearably torturous to really annoying. Airports nowadays still create significant noise pollution in their surroundings.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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When building https://randomairport.onrender.com/ I noticed that US and Euro airports always look very different

Somehow US airports always seem to be surrounded by densely populated residential areas, even in the direction of the runways, while Euro airports don’t seem to have this problem. And secondly Us airports always seem to take huge plots of land compared to Euro airports.

My assumption is that Us cities are just bigger, both in population and in the amount of surface they claim (lower population density)

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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For every other non-native speaker like me, lmgtfu: NIMBY (/ˈnɪmbi/, or nimby), an acronym for the phrase "not in my back yard", is a characterization of opposition by residents to proposed infrastructure developments in their local area, as well as support for strict land use regulations.

In simple terms, people want airports, but nobody wants an airport near their house.

People buy homes near existing airports with very small discounts for the inconvenience.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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And the state really shouldn’t care about these few. Probably rich enough to move but don’t want because blah blah.

"Few"? Almost no-one wants to live next door to an airport.

But almost everybody wants access to one. This is coming from someone who lived a a kilometer away from the main airport of Istanbul at the time[0], for a long time. I was really disappointed when it was closed as the benefit of access was 100x better than the noise cost.

Of course, everybody has different priorities and getting a huge noise source in your backyard after you decide to call a piece of land your home would be frustrating.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atat%C3%BCrk_Airport - used to be a very busy airport.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Very interesting to see how the noise of jet engines declined significantly. While reading the article I kept thinking, it feels like investing in noise reduction would really pay off, and then a few paragraphs later, there it was. I'm also intrigued by small airports, like the one in Rio, Santos Dumont. The shortest runways in the world. If you could reduce noise and control pollution, it is very nice to have an air…

Some small airports made sense at the time they were built, but no more (either because planes are bigger now or because construction around the airport was not adequately restricted in ensuing decades. Congonhas in Sao Paulo is an example of this, where it can only handle smaller domestic flights now because of the way the city has grown around it. Here's a satellite photo: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/a27d24_…

...and here's a story about Congonhas airport:

https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/culture-of-chaos-the-cra...

which reminds me: maybe people don't oppose airports just because of the noise, maybe they're also worried about plane crashes (I know the chance is low, but probably much higher for those living near an airport than for the average passenger).

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Long & interesting...but a pretty good tl;dr; is: "NIMBY's are why we can't build any major infrastructure any more".

The term NIMBY is thrown around too much. Yes, there are far too many cases where NIMBYism is taken too far. On the other hand, there are legitimate cases.

I lived in a small, fly-in community for a while. I was very close to the airport, and some people had houses within a few hundred meters of the runway. There was noise, but it was managable because there were only a handful of flights per day (none at night) and there were no jets (the airport could handle them, but it was only intended for emergencies). But that is not the type of airport people are talking about here. They are talking about large airports with constant traffic during most hours of the day and night, with the planes typically being larger and much louder. These are the sort of airports that people can expect a significant loss in the quality of life from. I would expect people to be vocal about it.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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If you fly into Tokyo you might come in via Narita Airport (NRT) which is actually quite a distance out from tokyo. Violence is extremely uncommon in modern Japan but NRT was the site of violent resistance over several decades.

Opposition forces killed several police officers, rioted on several occasions and constructed a giant 200 ft tower to interfere with test flights. Hundreds of acts of vandalism have occurred over the years, even into recent times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanrizuka_Struggle

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