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Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

pjmlp wrote: post #13
BillyTheKing wrote: post #5

I'm half Greek, so obviously a little bias. But would love to see a more thriving tech scene in Athens. It's a cool city, with great night-life, great restaurants, and stunning places nearby, not yet super gentrified and obviously also has some archaeological sites. But it's not just 2000 years old history (yes, it's partly also pretty run-down, bureaucracy is a night-mare, etc.) Generally speaking, it's usually sunn…

Speaking of bias, I would rather see that as well in Thessaloniki. And better remote working conditions could be a way to diversify the islands economy beyond Summers.

There is always the strategy of finding non-Greek companies to work remotely for, who will have a better work culture and remote ethic.

For the economic argument, you'd still be bringing money into the country and stimulating the economy (and paying taxes), so it's not all doom and gloom that you aren't working for a Greek company to make Greece better.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

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Post by BillyTheKing »

smcl wrote: post #20
BillyTheKing wrote: post #5

I'm half Greek, so obviously a little bias. But would love to see a more thriving tech scene in Athens. It's a cool city, with great night-life, great restaurants, and stunning places nearby, not yet super gentrified and obviously also has some archaeological sites. But it's not just 2000 years old history (yes, it's partly also pretty run-down, bureaucracy is a night-mare, etc.) Generally speaking, it's usually sunn…

You mean you are “bias ed ” or you have a “bias”

I'm based! and have a bias!

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

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Post by pilaf »

tenlp wrote: post #14

After all, Argentina has sold a lot of state-owned enterprises this year. Having so much one-time income will definitely make the economy look better. As for the future, who cares? https://www.worldoil.com/news/2024/2/8/argentina-plans-sweep...

> After all, Argentina has sold a lot of state-owned enterprises this year

Which ones? AFAIK government has stated intent to sell around 40 state-owned companies (expressed in a massive bill that got rejected by congress), but I don't know that any have been sold yet.

Also YPF (state-owned oil company), the company your linked article is talking about, was removed from the list of companies to be sold even before the new legislation got rejected [1] (your article mentions this fact too). But also it seems your linked article is mainly talking about YPF selling assets, not the company being sold.

1: https://www.eleconomista.com.mx/empresas/Ley-omnibus-Milei-s...

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

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Post by pyvpx »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #21
pjmlp wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of bias, I would rather see that as well in Thessaloniki. And better remote working conditions could be a way to diversify the islands economy beyond Summers.

There is always the strategy of finding non-Greek companies to work remotely for, who will have a better work culture and remote ethic. For the economic argument, you'd still be bringing money into the country and stimulating the economy (and paying taxes), so it's not all doom and gloom that you aren't working for a Greek company to make Greece better.

except there is absolutely zero anything on permanent establishment rules. The Greek tax authorities could write one memo saying “hiring a director in Greece does not trigger permanent establishment” and that digital nomad visa program would really pop off.

alas…nothing

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

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BillyTheKing wrote: post #5

I'm half Greek, so obviously a little bias. But would love to see a more thriving tech scene in Athens. It's a cool city, with great night-life, great restaurants, and stunning places nearby, not yet super gentrified and obviously also has some archaeological sites. But it's not just 2000 years old history (yes, it's partly also pretty run-down, bureaucracy is a night-mare, etc.) Generally speaking, it's usually sunn…

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Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

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Post by Irishsteve »

BillyTheKing wrote: post #6
TheCapeGreek wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all relative. I speak to my Greek friends and family, mostly outside of tech, and the sentiment isn't yet as positive as the macro numbers in articles like this indicate. As a diaspora Greek, it's positive news, but it seems this all hasn't "trickled down" to citizens' day to day lives as much. It does give some hope for those who left for economic reasons, and there are even groups out there to encourage a retu…

One of the things with Greeks (in Greece) really is that they're notoriously pessimistic and depressed, unlike what people usually associate with the country. I do think though that there's a bit of a new spirit though among the younger generation which is slightly less focused on 2k year old history and a bit more realistic in the way they approach the world. But maybe that's just wishful thinking on my end

I've been keeping an eye on Greece as they started to introduce benefits for foreign capital / workers similar to what Portugal did. I've a feeling this is why Greece is seen to be doing so well. If it ends up being like Portugal, it will be foreign investors and a select few locals that benefit the most.

Re: Greece, Argentina and India are the fastest improving business environments

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Post by BillyTheKing »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #10
BillyTheKing wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the things with Greeks (in Greece) really is that they're notoriously pessimistic and depressed, unlike what people usually associate with the country. I do think though that there's a bit of a new spirit though among the younger generation which is slightly less focused on 2k year old history and a bit more realistic in the way they approach the world. But maybe that's just wishful thinking on my end

I don't think it's wishful thinking. I think newer generations in times like these will tend to rebel against the attitude of their parents in any direction that takes them. With grumpy old Greeks, that means the younger generation are calmer and maybe more positive too. Life's too short to be miserable. I find the ancient and Byzantine history fascinating myself. Naturally the liberation struggles are also important…

I think that's spot on - what annoys me with some older Greeks is a fairly consistent 'look at our amazing history' attitude, as if they're ancestors of Gods. But then the actual culture is deeply rooted in Greek orthodoxy, driven by entirely different values, mostly pretty conservative. In reality, many older Greeks know relatively little about their own ancient history, or they focus on very specific aspects of it. Even though it's actually so colorful and full of human conflict and complexities.

I believe it's important for the country to look beyond that history. Not saying one shouldn't be inspired by it, almost everyone in the West is somewhat inspired by it anyway. This is a piece of humanity that played out on the same geographical area as modern-day Greece with a somewhat similar language, but it's long gone.

And I totally agree regarding conscription - if it were some sort of useful exercise for 6 months or so, one could probably make sense of it, but as it stands currently, it's a total waste of time.

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