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Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by lupire »

__loam wrote: post #11
wyldfire wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. Could it ever be the case, I wonder, if we could trust/enforce/believe that a model had so abstracted what it learned from the training inputs such that the model was not a derived work from them? I've seen the examples where the model is able to reproduce recognizable characters from popular media. Those look like they might be "just" overfitting? Whil…

I think it's obviously problematic that these companies are deriving value from millions of people without compensating them, while creating a product that competes with those masses.

You are describing the original meaning of "cultural appropriation", like when jazz and rock & roll were copied from Black American culture and sold.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by clbrmbr »

api wrote: post #5
__loam wrote: post #2

Stability always seemed like a dark horse thanks to the reputation of their founder and their open source business model. I do get some schadenfreude from seeing them like this considering the damage many feel they've done to the art community. E: -4 in 10 minutes. Stay classy hackernews. I hope this company and OpenAI choke on the algorithmic disgorgement when the law catches up.

The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale. Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. It's just more obvious with open models because we can investigate them. Closed models are sausages and we don't know what went in. Download a movie and you can get sued or your Internet connection terminated, but pirate the entire collective output of humanity and sell it back to us from beh…

> IMHO models trained on not-properly-licensed (pirated) data should at the very least not be copyrightable and should be public domain.

My understanding is that ML model weights cannot be copyrighted as an original creative work. They are trade-secrets and protected through contracts but once leaked to third parties it’s not a copyright violation to use/distribute.

Whether the model is actually a derivative work of the training data is another interesting question.

Or is my theory off here?

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by pelagicAustral »

__loam wrote: post #11
wyldfire wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. Could it ever be the case, I wonder, if we could trust/enforce/believe that a model had so abstracted what it learned from the training inputs such that the model was not a derived work from them? I've seen the examples where the model is able to reproduce recognizable characters from popular media. Those look like they might be "just" overfitting? Whil…

I think it's obviously problematic that these companies are deriving value from millions of people without compensating them, while creating a product that competes with those masses.

If you are selling something, and no one is buying it, the value you have generated is zero. If you put something online and you did not bother to understand this material can potentially be used by a third-party on account of its loose licensing, then who's to blame?

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by stale2002 »

api wrote: post #5
__loam wrote: post #2

Stability always seemed like a dark horse thanks to the reputation of their founder and their open source business model. I do get some schadenfreude from seeing them like this considering the damage many feel they've done to the art community. E: -4 in 10 minutes. Stay classy hackernews. I hope this company and OpenAI choke on the algorithmic disgorgement when the law catches up.

The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale. Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. It's just more obvious with open models because we can investigate them. Closed models are sausages and we don't know what went in. Download a movie and you can get sued or your Internet connection terminated, but pirate the entire collective output of humanity and sell it back to us from beh…

> The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale.

Forget about AI. Instead it is almost the entire art industry, wholesale!

The semi-professional online art commissioning market is almost entirely copyright infringing fan art works, being sold without permission of IP owner.

Yes, fan art is infringing. Especially when it is sold. And if you go to a convention center, to the artists section, you will see that over half of the booths are straight up selling other people's IP without permission.

This is the case for conventions, online art commissions, etsy/handmade items, all of it.

Its all illegal, all infringing, and the only reason why anyone cares now is because someone else can do the same thing that others have been doing for decades, but quicker and cheaper.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by pelagicAustral »

__loam wrote: post #19
123yawaworht456 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reddit is down the hall and to the left.

Sure. It's clear this community isn't open to critical views on this topic.

Maybe this community is more open to objective analysis of the articles that are shared, and no so much of passional arguments that benefit no one.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by blueblisters »

SD3.0 looks really good and will probably displace a lot of closed image generation models once it's out.

I don't understand why Stability gets so little support from the community. They released the first usable open-source models and their models are the foundation of the most interesting AI-bashing workflows out there - VC funded or otherwise.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by lordswork »

gigel82 wrote: post #20
singularity2001 wrote: post #14

For my use cases OpenAI's DallE is often good enough. No more Discord nonsense.

You're thinking of Midjourney. Stable Diffusion is awesome, you can run it locally on consumer GPUs.

Parent comment is classic HN: strongly held opinions with 100% confidence, 75% of the information.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by zarathustreal »

__loam wrote: post #19
123yawaworht456 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reddit is down the hall and to the left.

Sure. It's clear this community isn't open to critical views on this topic.

1. It’s not just this community

2. It’s not just “critical views” it’s any view that deviates from the velocity or acceleration of the norm

3. Don’t take it personally, votes aren’t about what you said they’re about how the voter feels after having read it

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by gorwell »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #4

Every Forbes article should have the warning that they are not real publication anymore. Everything they publish is written with an intention that you believe an authors opinion as fact. The model for Stability ends in a likely way, they will be swallowed up in a payday. We have recent examples of this. For now, they’re the most open area in a garden of closing gates. And I wish them all the best.

*Every legacy media article
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