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Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by krastanov »

tehbeard wrote: post #11
bamboozled wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you even bother running Windows with this crap going on ?

- Software compatibility. - Wanting upgradable hardware that doesn't require new machine + $1000 expense atop it for double the RAM. - JACK/ASLA/PulseAudio/GStreamer audio madness shouldn't be forced on mortal man.

Those are perfectly fine reasons, but I just wanted to share my experience as maybe things are better since last time you used the other popular OS that permits upgradable hardware:

- Thanks to infusion from Valve, Wine now works really well. The recent game Helldivers 2 constantly crashes on my friends's Windows PCs, but it has not crashed for me. The Windows users are asking a Linux user to host the game!

- This will almost sound like a joke, but after JACK/ALSA/PulseAudio/GStreamer did not do the job, now there is yet another, the new PipeWire. Anyway, it works great and its bluetooth headset support is better than what I have experienced on android/osx/windows.

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by ThinkBeat »

OpenAI free version of GPT3(3.5) is pretty decent. For $20/month you can get access to OpenAI GPT4 (if memory serves).

I can use Bing GPT4 for free (at least for a while).

I would expect GPT4 to be better than the older version, yet the Bing version seems markedly worse than the OpenAI version.

Are they trained on different sets of data?

Why is one so much worse?

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by krastanov »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #12
bamboozled wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you even bother running Windows with this crap going on ?

Because until game devs will even try to support Linux, I’m sort of stuck with it. Steam has done gods work with proton, and many games run shockingly well under it, but many game devs refuse to support Linux games (as usual, indie’s are the best) and do things as trivial as ticking the “enable EAC button on Linux”, gaming on Linux is a frustrating experience at times.

I game fairly regularly. I have given up on VR on Linux (valve gave up on it), and anti-cheat systems mostly do not work on Linux (valve is making some progress there). Everything else works perfectly for me, frequently with fewer crashes than the Windows systems of my friends.

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by vesinisa »

tehbeard wrote: post #11
bamboozled wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you even bother running Windows with this crap going on ?

- Software compatibility. - Wanting upgradable hardware that doesn't require new machine + $1000 expense atop it for double the RAM. - JACK/ASLA/PulseAudio/GStreamer audio madness shouldn't be forced on mortal man.

> JACK/ASLA/PulseAudio/GStreamer audio madness shouldn't be forced on mortal man.

So last decade.. PipeWire is the latest game in the town.

On a more serious note, PipeWire has worked really well for me and it really aims to unify all the previous usecases to one. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/wikis/FAQ...

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

bamboozled wrote: post #6
theyeenzbeanz wrote: post #2

As soon as the copilot garbage was installed on my computer without asking , I made sure to quickly update group policies and registry to disable it. Just yesterday it popped up the dialog asking me to try out copilot again. Just another case of windows “forgetting” settings.

Why do you even bother running Windows with this crap going on ?

>Why do you even bother running Windows with this crap going on ?

It runs the programs I use.

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by hallway_monitor »

ninkendo wrote: post #20
wildrhythms wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>companies are having a hard time meeting their goals What are their goals exactly?

Growth.

Growth at the expense of quality. At the expense of customer Goodwill. At the expense of employee happiness. I'm a full-blooded capitalist but our economy's addiction to growth will, I think, be our downfall.

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by loudmax »

nolok wrote: post #16
actionfromafar wrote: post #7

Windows aint that bad? But then, I'm occasionally reminded that if you don't have a corporate IT dept. jealously vetting every update, and instead use the shivers Super Happy Consumer Pachinko Edition Windows, things are very different.

Let me preface by saying that unlike many others here, I'm using windows on purpose, on my main machine, because I like it, and that since W95. And I'm still using it right now. I like how it's in a sort of spot between great customized but closed down experience of OSX, and completely open but very messy even today of Linux. But for a long time, Windows struggled with some broken internals and screwed up stuff, driv…

This kind of behavior is to be expected from a monopoly. And I understand where you're coming from about that sweet spot between restricted Apple hardware and troubleshooting Linux drivers. Windows may not be an absolute monopoly, but they're effectively close enough that they can make user hostile moves and their customers have no choice but to go along.

Microsoft under Nadella currently seems to be under the most competent leadership of the major tech companies. Apple under Cook is okay as long as they don't try to innovate too quickly, and Google under Pichai is a bonfire of wasted engineering capacity. Microsoft has a very good sense of how much leverage they can get out of their existing desktop and corporate enterprise compute markets to push into other markets. They will make use of this leverage.

So don't expect Windows to be any better than it has to be, to keep other potential options at bay.

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by greggsy »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #22

OpenAI free version of GPT3(3.5) is pretty decent. For $20/month you can get access to OpenAI GPT4 (if memory serves). I can use Bing GPT4 for free (at least for a while). I would expect GPT4 to be better than the older version, yet the Bing version seems markedly worse than the OpenAI version. Are they trained on different sets of data? Why is one so much worse?

I wonder if there is a corpus of prompts for ‘fingerprinting’ llms

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by pokot0 »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #12
bamboozled wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you even bother running Windows with this crap going on ?

Because until game devs will even try to support Linux, I’m sort of stuck with it. Steam has done gods work with proton, and many games run shockingly well under it, but many game devs refuse to support Linux games (as usual, indie’s are the best) and do things as trivial as ticking the “enable EAC button on Linux”, gaming on Linux is a frustrating experience at times.

The PC gaming market is 99% Windows. Ofc Indies and mid sized studios ignore Linux and Mac. You have to convince customers to use Linux first. Chicken/Egg problem. You can't expect Indies to solve it.

If anything, all the proton/deck work Valve did, gives Indies one more reason to not support Linux natively (game works on Linux anyway).

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