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Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Daviey wrote: post #15
LelouBil wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope > We don’t require you to close your account or change your relationship with AWS in any way. You’re welcome to come back at any time. We will, of course, apply additional scrutiny if the same AWS account applies multiple times for free DTO.

Then compare that statement with their FAQ, https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/faqs/#Data_transfer_fees_when_mov... > After your move away from AWS services, within the 60-day period, you must delete all remaining data and workloads from your AWS account, or you can close your AWS account.

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Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by dotnet00 »

lelanthran wrote: post #13
weikju wrote: post #4

> The waiver on data transfer out to the internet charges also follows the direction set by the European Data Act and is available to all AWS customers around the world and from any AWS Region. Thank you, EU, on behalf of the rest of the world

Well waddya know... Looks like sometimes regulations do work better than the invisible hand of the free market. Reality: the invisible hand is simply a fist made up of all members of a cartel.

The free market was working, in the sense that there are decent options which don't use egress fees as lock-in. The issue was that the invisible hand is too slow and involves too much chaos when strong network effects (and related lock-in) become involved. Such effects weaken the presumption that competitors can be easily switched to.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by usr1106 »

bnprks wrote: post #14

I hope this is just the start of egress fee changes in response to the European Data Act. Taking a look at other parts of the law's text [1], I think this change related to Article 25, but Article 34 section 2 is what really stands out to me: > Where a data processing service is being used in parallel with another data processing service, the providers of data processing services may impose data egress charges, but o…

So do we know how much are the egress costs for AWS?

In other words how much AWS is overcharging?

I guess they make every effort / creative bookkeeping trick to exaggerate their egress costs and it will take years until EU completes their investigation and fines them and more years until courts have had their final word.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by shrubble »

usr1106 wrote: post #23
bnprks wrote: post #14

I hope this is just the start of egress fee changes in response to the European Data Act. Taking a look at other parts of the law's text [1], I think this change related to Article 25, but Article 34 section 2 is what really stands out to me: > Where a data processing service is being used in parallel with another data processing service, the providers of data processing services may impose data egress charges, but o…

So do we know how much are the egress costs for AWS? In other words how much AWS is overcharging? I guess they make every effort / creative bookkeeping trick to exaggerate their egress costs and it will take years until EU completes their investigation and fines them and more years until courts have had their final word.

I have seen a rack with power and 10Gig ethernet advertised for $700 per month; so my guess is that Amazon pays less than 25 cents per Mbps per month and in some cases, nothing.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by usr1106 »

I have still lived in the obviously false belief that AWS charges for every egress byte (regular operation not take out, except Lightsail, which always had rather large quota included.) Now they claim every account has big free tier. When has that changed?

Edit: My search engine found December 2021:

https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2021/11/aws-price...

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by shrubble »

lelanthran wrote: post #13
weikju wrote: post #4

> The waiver on data transfer out to the internet charges also follows the direction set by the European Data Act and is available to all AWS customers around the world and from any AWS Region. Thank you, EU, on behalf of the rest of the world

Well waddya know... Looks like sometimes regulations do work better than the invisible hand of the free market. Reality: the invisible hand is simply a fist made up of all members of a cartel.

Amazon, Google and Azure are anything but free market; they have been getting subsidies and abatements in the 10s of billions all along.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by renewiltord »

rescbr wrote: post #18
Daviey wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then compare that statement with their FAQ, https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/faqs/#Data_transfer_fees_when_mov... > After your move away from AWS services, within the 60-day period, you must delete all remaining data and workloads from your AWS account, or you can close your AWS account.

If you manage to delete everything and make the billing to be zero dollars, then there's no need to close the account... In many cases, this is way harder than it sounds.

If someone manages that, they're a god.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by usr1106 »

usr1106 wrote: post #26

I have still lived in the obviously false belief that AWS charges for every egress byte (regular operation not take out, except Lightsail, which always had rather large quota included.) Now they claim every account has big free tier. When has that changed? Edit: My search engine found December 2021: https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2021/11/aws-price...

Replying to myself: Of course these price reductions why they suddenly charge for IPv4 addresses. To my understanding AWS does not suffer from scarcity, they have huge pools.

At least for customers using a lot of egress the charging per address is probably cheaper. For small businesses with relatively little businesses but not so slim deployments with addresses hanging around on many little used or even forgotten resources it's the other way round.

Edit: I had already forgotten the 42% price raise hitting myself on my personal Lightsail instance in May.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

usr1106 wrote: post #23
bnprks wrote: post #14

I hope this is just the start of egress fee changes in response to the European Data Act. Taking a look at other parts of the law's text [1], I think this change related to Article 25, but Article 34 section 2 is what really stands out to me: > Where a data processing service is being used in parallel with another data processing service, the providers of data processing services may impose data egress charges, but o…

So do we know how much are the egress costs for AWS? In other words how much AWS is overcharging? I guess they make every effort / creative bookkeeping trick to exaggerate their egress costs and it will take years until EU completes their investigation and fines them and more years until courts have had their final word.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress contains a pretty good overview of Amazon’s margins.
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