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Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by Ekaros »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #10

What amazes and perplexes me is that Apple thinks it can effectively play politics against the EU and that somehow their customers will back them in the face of the "consequences" Apple applies, which are pretty transparent and really quite amateurish (eg no more web apps for you!). As the article states, the first mistake Apple makes is thinking the EU is somehow like the US, but I can't see how any large proportion…

And even if they are thinking that government is their enemy. That doesn't mean companies like Apple are their friends or allies either...

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by pokepim »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #10

What amazes and perplexes me is that Apple thinks it can effectively play politics against the EU and that somehow their customers will back them in the face of the "consequences" Apple applies, which are pretty transparent and really quite amateurish (eg no more web apps for you!). As the article states, the first mistake Apple makes is thinking the EU is somehow like the US, but I can't see how any large proportion…

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Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

This reads like a 10th graders report, just repeating arguments found on the internet.

The criticism of forcing apple to abandon a superior connector for phones to standardize charger cords, while every other building you go into in Europe has a different outlet that is incompatible with the charger you want to plug in is perfectly reasonable. The idea that there is some great benefit to making sure there is only one connector on the so cheap they are basically disposable cords is fundamentally stupid. The fact that the EU regulators can arbitrarily go after companies is a real problem.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by mjburgess »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #10

What amazes and perplexes me is that Apple thinks it can effectively play politics against the EU and that somehow their customers will back them in the face of the "consequences" Apple applies, which are pretty transparent and really quite amateurish (eg no more web apps for you!). As the article states, the first mistake Apple makes is thinking the EU is somehow like the US, but I can't see how any large proportion…

It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better".

Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit. We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.).

So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive.

The fringe american "all regulation is bad" is hyped up for certain media causes, but very alien to most in practice. It's essentially unimaginable to the ordinary european that large corporations would have a better social conscience than government.

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Post by entropyie »

Can't believe this had to be spelled out... The article is very well written and simple to understand, so hats off to the author.

Ironically, I've been putting off buying an iPhone because of the walled garden... Being able to side-load app stores and charge via USB-c might actually get me to switch. Because the surveillance inside Android apps is frankly obscene at this stage.

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Post by drooopy »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #10

What amazes and perplexes me is that Apple thinks it can effectively play politics against the EU and that somehow their customers will back them in the face of the "consequences" Apple applies, which are pretty transparent and really quite amateurish (eg no more web apps for you!). As the article states, the first mistake Apple makes is thinking the EU is somehow like the US, but I can't see how any large proportion…

Despite the rise of far right populist parties, Europe tends to lean more on the left side of the political spectrum compared to America, and corporate worship is a relatively new thing over here. People tend to have more faith in governments and treat companies with more distrust, compared to the US which seems to be the other way around.

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

pavlov wrote: post #11
abtinf wrote: post #8

Everything you need to know about government bureaucracy, including the EU’s , you can learn from watching the TV show “Yes, Minister.”

And the next level of enlightenment is that you can further learn everything about corporate bureaucracy by combining the learnings from "Yes, Minister" with the American "The Office". It's not any better in the private world, but the sociopaths are a bit more money-oriented.

So you agree government agencies are run by sociopaths? Then we should strive to reduce their influence on us, just like we would want to reduce corporate power over us?

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by hef19898 »

redwood wrote: post #15

I understand where the author is coming from and It is important to have a realist perspective on what is driving European strategy or else we will be in denial. I think it's also important to recognize that the west are interconnected in many real ways beyond economic. The first and most clearly top of mind recently is the US defense umbrella which allows the EU to invest on other things instead of defense. Another…

See, and therw I was worried we'd have a discussion HN involcing the EU without anyone sharing all those meme and myths about the EU, labour laws, salaries... Thank you for holding up the flag!
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