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Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

They stated that AFTER they just cut the network access to the hosts. It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong. We were running rpc nodes for legit applications and a validator to secure the network. For me, who’s worked in 50,000+ bare metal Linux environments before, it was just so surprising how sudden and violent it was. Their customer support was amazing until it wasn’t. Just let it b…

> It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong.

Legally? Well, they probably have a "if we think you do something we don't like we can kick you off" clause. Ethically? Eh .. Crypto. Ethical. Opinions differ.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

They stated that AFTER they just cut the network access to the hosts. It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong. We were running rpc nodes for legit applications and a validator to secure the network. For me, who’s worked in 50,000+ bare metal Linux environments before, it was just so surprising how sudden and violent it was. Their customer support was amazing until it wasn’t. Just let it b…

You're angry in the wrong direction. It is not their fault that you, or someone in your company, didn't read their TOS. Hetzners service is cheap, this attracts bad actors. In their eyes you are a bad actor and according to their TOS they're right. I, as a customer of Hetzner, are happy about how they deal with people abusing their services.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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It is somewhat limited vs a RTX 4090 [1] We rent a 4090 for about EUR300/month on vast.ai, for reference. 1. https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-4090-vs-RTX-4000...

Is vast.ai reliable for production inference where downtime is important?

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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FYI do not run blockchain related software on Hetzner nodes, even their dedicated bare metal. They are likely to shut the host down. I was running a Solana Testnet Proof of Stake validator for work and they decided to shut the host down at the network layer and refused to give us access to the host. After my employer's legal threatened them, they offered to give us access back, but to be a pain in the butt, they only…

Your fault for not reading their ToS: https://www.hetzner.com/de/legal/terms-and-conditions/ number 8.1 in the German version, number 4 in the English one: "Furthermore, the operation of applications for mining cryptocurrencies is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, mining, farming and plotting of cryptocurrencies. In the case of non-compliance, we are entitled to lock your access to the Service and/or…

Their ToS did not reference blockchain at the time. This is why our lawyers got involved. This was updated after they caused an outage unannounced for a service running almost four years.

Google actually offers blockchain rpc. Fwiw, Solana nodes run poorly in the cloud and generally only make sense on bare metal. As far as slow distributed databases go (aka blockchains), it’s 1000x+ faster than the ethereum style blockchains.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

AFAIK it's the high disk IO causing wear on the SSDs, since they specifically mention Solana nodes

Likely. We put the accounts db in memory (on a tmpfs) to mitigate this and were paying them for a beefcake node with 1T of memory.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They stated that AFTER they just cut the network access to the hosts. It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong. We were running rpc nodes for legit applications and a validator to secure the network. For me, who’s worked in 50,000+ bare metal Linux environments before, it was just so surprising how sudden and violent it was. Their customer support was amazing until it wasn’t. Just let it b…

You're angry in the wrong direction. It is not their fault that you, or someone in your company, didn't read their TOS. Hetzners service is cheap, this attracts bad actors. In their eyes you are a bad actor and according to their TOS they're right. I, as a customer of Hetzner, are happy about how they deal with people abusing their services.

We read their ToS. Our lawyers read their ToS. It has a vague “we can kick you off if we choose to” part, but removing service with no recourse was not ok. So we told them we would sue them if they didn’t give us access to shred sensitive data and they relented.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

Many hosters banned all kind of crypto after advent of file coins, which wear out ssds too quicky.

Indeed. Some bad actors (which is most of the industry) ruin it for those of us who just want to build cool tech. Very annoying.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

My guess is it's a huge liability if keys are stolen, and it puts a huge target on their back from people around the world who want to steal crypto keys or DDoS crypto systems.

Most of the Hetzner DdoS come from gaming fyi. They’re pretty good at handling them but we’d get paged every few months due to this.

Our uptime is better since we left hetzner. We went with a host that’s more commonly used for electronic trading firms, Teraswitch. They’re great.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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post #5

FYI do not run blockchain related software on Hetzner nodes, even their dedicated bare metal. They are likely to shut the host down. I was running a Solana Testnet Proof of Stake validator for work and they decided to shut the host down at the network layer and refused to give us access to the host. After my employer's legal threatened them, they offered to give us access back, but to be a pain in the butt, they only…

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Yeah, that’s definitely not what we were doing buddy. Keep the politics out of this please.

We don’t accept any customer money either for this usage. Zero. Those nodes secured the network and were also used for analysis of hacks and forensic incident response. We work a lot with the US FBI btw. We’re trying to prevent literally all the things you just mentioned, so no need to be jerk here buddy.

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