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The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's thriving digital music market
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Re: The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's thriving digital music market
#22Apple fights hard to not allow users to install from other sources on devices they own, so they can charge rent from developers, then complains when some apps that are too big for them to control are installed from the sole app store. The solution is pretty simple, let people use the devices they own as they want; allow multiple app stores; allow people to download binaries and install on their devices.
Or, let people choose the other platform that already allows them just that. What some people may not understand is that a large percentage of Apple customers are buying iPhones because of those restrictions and not in spite of them.
> What some people may not understand is that a large percentage of Apple customers are buying iPhones because of those restrictions and not in spite of them.
Citation needed. Do you have polls or other consumer research to back this claim?
Re: The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's thriving digital music market
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you are arguing that companies should avoid using open source?
No, I'm arguing that if Apple feels entitled to steal 30% of my hard earned money, then the open source maintainers should also feel the same entitlement, because without their work there would be no iOS, and no App Store. Apple owes their existence to the Open Source maintainers the same way Apple claims I owe my existence to their proprietary APIs.
That may be true, but those suckers (the open source maintainers) chose to give their work away for free, so they deserve what they get (nothing). Apple won't be making the same mistake!
(sorry for the sarcasm)
Re: The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's thriving digital music market
#24These last few legal responses from Apple are really damaging their "cool" factor. Apple has, for some time now, succeeded by staying quiet and just shipping high quality stuff. Their PR / legal team acting like children when they don't get what they want is a genuine harm to their brand. It's amazing to me that these press releases are approved.
The rent seeking has begun
Re: The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's thriving digital music market
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or, let people choose the other platform that already allows them just that. What some people may not understand is that a large percentage of Apple customers are buying iPhones because of those restrictions and not in spite of them.
> What some people may not understand is that a large percentage of Apple customers are buying iPhones because of those restrictions and not in spite of them. Citation needed. Do you have polls or other consumer research to back this claim?
I have 70% of Android global market share. It offers more choices of devices, price points and a less restrictive OS.
There's almost nothing you can do on an iPhone that you can't on an Android. Conversely, there are plenty of things that the more open Android platform allows that iOS doesn't.
And yet, despite all of that, some people still prefer to buy iPhones. I think it's their choice to make.
Re: The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's thriving digital music market
#26There's not a single mention of Apple Music. There goes the credibility of this statement.
It's rather obvious that problems started when Apple decided to build a services business the size of a F100 company by directly and unfairly competing with said developers, unchained from all the constraints and costs they impose on them.
Re: The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's thriving digital music market
#27These last few legal responses from Apple are really damaging their "cool" factor. Apple has, for some time now, succeeded by staying quiet and just shipping high quality stuff. Their PR / legal team acting like children when they don't get what they want is a genuine harm to their brand. It's amazing to me that these press releases are approved.
They once had to put a notice on their website for 2 weeks in the UK due to losing a Samsung design patent case.
Their non compliance was impressive. They changed the website to ensure users wouldn't see the footer with the link without scrolling. Then they edited the notice's wording by adding paragraphs in the middle of it - and sentences in the middle of paragraphs.
I really think there's some Americanism behind it. Like, "we don't care what you foreign authorities think".
Re: The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's thriving digital music market
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you are arguing that companies should avoid using open source?
No, I'm arguing that if Apple feels entitled to steal 30% of my hard earned money, then the open source maintainers should also feel the same entitlement, because without their work there would be no iOS, and no App Store. Apple owes their existence to the Open Source maintainers the same way Apple claims I owe my existence to their proprietary APIs.
> No, I'm arguing that if Apple feels entitled to steal 30% of my hard earned money, then the open source maintainers should also feel the same entitlement
If the people who explicitly stated “feel free to use my software for free for any purpose you see fit” feel entitled to get any money for the stuff they wrote, they shouldn’t have said that, and, I expect, Apple would have used something else.
Writing a halfway decent OS kernel isn’t that hard, and performance-wise, you don’t really need more than halfway decent).
Also, Apple paid for many of the higher layers of iOS and/or developed them in-house (NeXT wrote NeXTSTEP, Apple bought NeXT, and then spent years before releasing Mac OS X)
Re: The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's thriving digital music market
#29>and pays Apple nothing for the services that have helped make them one of the most recognizable brands in the world. It says a lot that the €100 developer fee (I'd imagine Spotify pay for multiple licences in multiple countries) that Apple consider it nothing. It probably is 'negligible' given the size of Spotify but also don't even consider highly popular apps like Spotify 'contributing' to App Store ecosystem that…
Apple is not taking in consideration that the argument works completely in reverse, without all the apps paying them a 30% cut, or developers investing time into creating apps for their ecosystem there would be no iOS in 2024.
I don't think this is a valid argument, because both sides of it are true. Developers invested, but so did Apple, and they did it first and took bigger risks.
The App Store is packed with apps because developers saw an opportunity and wanted to seize it. Everyone's in it because it serves their interests.
Re: The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's thriving digital music market
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What some people may not understand is that a large percentage of Apple customers are buying iPhones because of those restrictions and not in spite of them. Citation needed. Do you have polls or other consumer research to back this claim?
I have 70% of Android global market share. It offers more choices of devices, price points and a less restrictive OS. There's almost nothing you can do on an iPhone that you can't on an Android. Conversely, there are plenty of things that the more open Android platform allows that iOS doesn't. And yet, despite all of that, some people still prefer to buy iPhones. I think it's their choice to make.
> There's almost nothing you can do on an iPhone that you can't on an Android.
1. This is false. There are plenty of features and apps (including my own apps!) that are exclusive to iPhone. iMessage and iCloud for example.
2. Products are not simply lists of features. There's also something important called design.
3. Don't forget vendor hardware support, software support, and resale value.
I can say, from a personal perspective, that I didn't buy an iPhone because it's vendor locked. I bought an iPhone because I'm a Mac user and developer, so I was already in the Apple ecosystem.
I suspect that there are a lot of people who buy an iPhone simply because their family and/or friends have iPhones already.