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Lawyers who voided Elon Musk's pay as excessive want $6B fee

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Re: Lawyers who voided Elon Musk's pay as excessive want $6B fee

#21

IMHO, it's high time to stop paying lawyers, accountants, notary publics (in Germany) and similar professions in percentages. There is no way a bunch of lawyers deserves that kind of payout.

Is a notary public in Germany a notary in the British sense or in the American sense? Because American notaries get paid peanuts.

Re: Lawyers who voided Elon Musk's pay as excessive want $6B fee

#22
post #17

I don't understand why everybody thinks this fee is outrageous. These lawyers just saved Tesla's shareholders way, way more than that. Pay $6 billion to get $50 billion? I'll do that deal all day long and twice on Sundays.

Musk would be paid in stock, so the "shareholders" did not win or lose anything (unless we assume the shareholders are at war with each other). If he turns sour ... i cant imagine the shareholders feeling like they won much.

In other news, cheap EVs are entering the market so maybe it's a good opportunity for Elon to escape Tesla before it becomes a legacy brand name that some chinese maker will buy in a few years (like chevrolet or sth).

Re: Lawyers who voided Elon Musk's pay as excessive want $6B fee

#23
post #17

I don't understand why everybody thinks this fee is outrageous. These lawyers just saved Tesla's shareholders way, way more than that. Pay $6 billion to get $50 billion? I'll do that deal all day long and twice on Sundays.

Not if Elon decides to leave Tesla. In this case, this was a catastrophic failure.

Re: Lawyers who voided Elon Musk's pay as excessive want $6B fee

#24
post #17

I don't understand why everybody thinks this fee is outrageous. These lawyers just saved Tesla's shareholders way, way more than that. Pay $6 billion to get $50 billion? I'll do that deal all day long and twice on Sundays.

The board, run by the shareholders, wanted that deal and put it in place. They must have thought that the value add was worth it. Granted, it seems many do not think they acted correctly, hence the ruling and the lawsuits.

The point is that time will tell if this really saves money over the long run. I do not know the law and I am not questioning the board here.

Re: Lawyers who voided Elon Musk's pay as excessive want $6B fee

#25
post #17

I don't understand why everybody thinks this fee is outrageous. These lawyers just saved Tesla's shareholders way, way more than that. Pay $6 billion to get $50 billion? I'll do that deal all day long and twice on Sundays.

Not if Elon decides to leave Tesla. In this case, this was a catastrophic failure.

It might be better for Tesla shareholders than the past two years when he’s been essentially absent, but nobody else can step in to make decisions. The company is clearly behind in core product development and spent way too much time on Musk’s stale old follies like the Cybertruck.

Re: Lawyers who voided Elon Musk's pay as excessive want $6B fee

#26
post #24
post #17

I don't understand why everybody thinks this fee is outrageous. These lawyers just saved Tesla's shareholders way, way more than that. Pay $6 billion to get $50 billion? I'll do that deal all day long and twice on Sundays.

The board, run by the shareholders, wanted that deal and put it in place. They must have thought that the value add was worth it. Granted, it seems many do not think they acted correctly, hence the ruling and the lawsuits. The point is that time will tell if this really saves money over the long run. I do not know the law and I am not questioning the board here.

The board is responsible to the shareholders, but did not act in their best interests.

Re: Lawyers who voided Elon Musk's pay as excessive want $6B fee

#28

I despise lawyers.

Until you need one

I’d love to see a legal system that is comprehensible enough for a layman so pro se is the go-to option and the lawyers are for the real tricky cases, or people who can’t or don’t want to even think about it.

Not happening, of course. Modern legal systems have incentives to build barriers.

(For what it’s worth, I’ve never needed a lawyer and I’ve dealt with immigration in two countries and some basic legal stuff. Wasn’t a rocket science - the worst of it were all the unwritten rules. But of course, that was quite simple and straightforward stuff - surely, there are legal issues that are much more complex.)

Re: Lawyers who voided Elon Musk's pay as excessive want $6B fee

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post #22
post #17

I don't understand why everybody thinks this fee is outrageous. These lawyers just saved Tesla's shareholders way, way more than that. Pay $6 billion to get $50 billion? I'll do that deal all day long and twice on Sundays.

Musk would be paid in stock, so the "shareholders" did not win or lose anything (unless we assume the shareholders are at war with each other). If he turns sour ... i cant imagine the shareholders feeling like they won much. In other news, cheap EVs are entering the market so maybe it's a good opportunity for Elon to escape Tesla before it becomes a legacy brand name that some chinese maker will buy in a few years (l…

> did not win or lose anything

Is this true? Would there not be dilution?

Re: Lawyers who voided Elon Musk's pay as excessive want $6B fee

#30
post #17

I don't understand why everybody thinks this fee is outrageous. These lawyers just saved Tesla's shareholders way, way more than that. Pay $6 billion to get $50 billion? I'll do that deal all day long and twice on Sundays.

Not if Elon decides to leave Tesla. In this case, this was a catastrophic failure.

Oh damn yeah, then they might miss out on Cybertruck 2.0
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