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How is that related? It also happened a week ago, while this is new. Houthis cause as much havoc as they want, presumably to someday get a decent deal at the negotiating table.
Houthis knock out underwater cables linking Europe to Asia
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#22Hard to find good sources on this. Guardian article (Feb 5, 2024), "Houthi-linked Telegram channel published a map of the cables running along the bed of the Red Sea. The image was accompanied by a message: “There are maps of international cables connecting all regions of the world through the sea. It seems that Yemen is in a strategic location, as internet lines that connect entire continents – not only countries –…
- "How can these be repaired? Can it even be done safely? Insurance of operating a specialized boat in these waters? (paraphrasing)"
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- "[Flag Telecom founder and telecoms entrepreneur Sunil Tagare] also posted that no cable ship provider was willing to provide repairs in the area and that insurance companies would cancel policies for cable ships attempting to operate in Yemeni waters. Again, DCD hasn’t been able to confirm these claims."
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/at-least-one-subs...
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#23Without internet we can go back to the bronze age quite fast.
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#24Without internet we can go back to the bronze age quite fast.
Not a chance, the changes wrought by the industrial revolution would not be undone so easily. Removing the internet from society would not change what people already know how to do and what is possible to do; other methods of exchanging that knowledge (schools/books/etc) would be rapidly re-emphasized. It might even cause a reversal of the compency crisis as people wouldn't have the rest of the internet to distract them from their studies...
Realistically however, attacking some undersea cables isn't a threat to the existence of the internet anyway. Even if you could split THE internet into many national/regional networks, that would still be sufficient for most industrial and economic needs. More expensive and robust links could connect these regional networks where truly needed.
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#25Without internet we can go back to the bronze age quite fast.
Back to the dark days of the 1980s.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
lol how can you possibly call our response feeble
Considering how we arrived at this point (Houthis threatening and attacking trade and communications), I would say the US government's obvious inability to rein in its ally (Israel) despite having a huge amount of leverage demonstrates a pretty weak administration. Feeble is precisely the right word to describe US pressure on Israel. Saying "We've asked them" over and over again just doesn't cut it. It's weak and eve…
America has very little leverage over Israel. The money/etc that America gives to Israel is motivated by the religious convictions of Americans (evangelical protestants particularly, but not exclusively.). This support isn't conditional on Israel behaving itself and any politician who cuts Israel off will have a very difficult time getting reelected. This effectively makes America's financial and material support for Israel closer to tribute than leverage, since politically speaking it's not practical to turn off the spigot.
The silver lining is that unconditional support for Israel correlates with age; the Americans who support Israel no matter what are slowly but surely aging out of the political equation. In one or two more generations the situation may be very different, which if I had to guess, is why Israel wants complete the annexation of Gaza sooner rather than later.
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#28Related yesterday: Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking at potential terrorism https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39506931
Terrorism is an interesting word choice in this context.
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#29Without internet we can go back to the bronze age quite fast.
Not a chance, the changes wrought by the industrial revolution would not be undone so easily. Removing the internet from society would not change what people already know how to do and what is possible to do; other methods of exchanging that knowledge (schools/books/etc) would be rapidly re-emphasized. It might even cause a reversal of the compency crisis as people wouldn't have the rest of the internet to distract t…
> Even if you could split THE internet into many national/regional networks, that would still be sufficient for most industrial and economic needs.
This is not the specific case, but I think that if Europe lost access to US internet services its economy would collapse.
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#30Related yesterday: Submarine cables cut in the Red Sea.Authorities looking at potential terrorism https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39506931
Terrorism is an interesting word choice in this context.
It clearly counts as terrorism if it's intentional damage to key international infrastructure by a non-state actor for political purposes.
(while the Houthis control much of Yemen, they are not its internationally recognized government)