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Re: The Disappointing Tea.xyz

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Post by packetlost »

lucideer wrote: post #15
nocobot wrote: post #14

Max Howell (creator of homebrew) is also behind tea.xyz imo that give them some more credibility or at least makes me think that they probably are well intentioned

> more credibility I would say the opposite. Homebrew isn't a broadly well-respected project from a purely engineering perspective (i.e. by anyone who's engaged with it in earnest) - it gets contributions because it has user-capture / network effect, but there's a lot of contributors would would prefer to be publishing packages on a more nicely stewarded platform.

I wonder how good Nix support is on MacOS these days...

Re: The Disappointing Tea.xyz

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

carterthecook wrote: post #11

The idea of creating a bounty system for open source projects is one that has been tried many times over the last decade+. These bounty systems never gain much traction because the incentive structure/economics don't work. The closest we'll get to these bounty systems are for-profit open source software companies, which is pretty good considering that there's a VC-backed open source company for almost any software ca…

I find your leap from "they haven't gotten the economics right yet" to "the status quo is the only way" concerning.

Being VC backed means accepting an additional constraint: it has to be remotely controllable by a third party, and if the user revokes trust in that third party, it has to become useless. Otherwise there's nothing to own, nothing to leverage for a return on your investment.

That places some pretty severe limits on how trustworthy such a piece of software can be. There's tremendous value in getting the economics right, even if we haven't yet.

Re: The Disappointing Tea.xyz

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Post by coldpie »

colesantiago wrote: post #16

Just as an aside Tea.xyz is funded by Binance. [1] Make of this what you will, but I call immediate scam. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220323005603/en/Tea...

Good find.

> March 23, 2022

Looks like this is one of the last turds from the crypto diarrheafest making its way through the pipes. Good riddance.

Re: The Disappointing Tea.xyz

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Post by ubertaco »

colesantiago wrote: post #16

Just as an aside Tea.xyz is funded by Binance. [1] Make of this what you will, but I call immediate scam. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220323005603/en/Tea...

EDIT: if you're reading my comment, please see the response from Mike McQuaid, who's the _current_ project leader for Homebrew. It's good to know Max isn't involved over there anymore! Gonna leave my original comment below this line, so that the context still makes sense:

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That fact paired with the fact that the guy behind Tea.xyz is the same as the guy behind Homebrew makes me _really_ distrust Homebrew going forward.

He's taking money from known crypto scammers to launch AI-generated nonsense (the pkgx nonsense from HN the other day) and abusive crypto-monetization patterns (this tea.xyz thing).

His biggest claim to fame was...a ripoff of the Arch User Repository, which is useful, sure, but not something that instills a lot of confidence in the "wants to promote himself off the back of others' work" aspect of his résumé thus far.

Gonna look into good alternatives to Homebrew.

Re: The Disappointing Tea.xyz

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Post by binonsense »

frizlab wrote: post #8
joeyh wrote: post #5

Tea is from the same person who was using AI generated descriptions in their package manager the other day. Probably best to put your old grift to bed before starting your new one?

Ironically it’s also the same guy who did Homebrew! pkgx looks great on paper (did not try), but why oh why does Max want to put crypto and AI everywhere?

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Re: The Disappointing Tea.xyz

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Post by zabil »

Thanks for doing the research. My repo getgauge/taiko (listed on the screenshot) was affected by this. I reported these as phishing attacks as I had no idea what it was about.

Re: The Disappointing Tea.xyz

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Post by acdha »

frizlab wrote: post #8
joeyh wrote: post #5

Tea is from the same person who was using AI generated descriptions in their package manager the other day. Probably best to put your old grift to bed before starting your new one?

Ironically it’s also the same guy who did Homebrew! pkgx looks great on paper (did not try), but why oh why does Max want to put crypto and AI everywhere?

How much money did he make from Homebrew relative to its value to companies around the world? My impression of this was that he was tired of other people making money off of his work and that probably lead to some wishful thinking that things would be different this time around. The cryptocurrency space has relied heavily on FOMO as a way to get people to think it might not be a scam this time, or at least one which will last long enough for them to cash out. I’m very sympathetic to the plight of unfunded open source developers but this is a mirage.

Re: The Disappointing Tea.xyz

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Post by brirec »

packetlost wrote: post #21
lucideer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> more credibility I would say the opposite. Homebrew isn't a broadly well-respected project from a purely engineering perspective (i.e. by anyone who's engaged with it in earnest) - it gets contributions because it has user-capture / network effect, but there's a lot of contributors would would prefer to be publishing packages on a more nicely stewarded platform.

I wonder how good Nix support is on MacOS these days...

Pretty good, but you might still want to defer to Homebrew to install some software. Nix-Darwin _can_ drive Homebrew and basically manage its packages declaratively.

Re: The Disappointing Tea.xyz

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Post by lucideer »

packetlost wrote: post #21
lucideer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> more credibility I would say the opposite. Homebrew isn't a broadly well-respected project from a purely engineering perspective (i.e. by anyone who's engaged with it in earnest) - it gets contributions because it has user-capture / network effect, but there's a lot of contributors would would prefer to be publishing packages on a more nicely stewarded platform.

I wonder how good Nix support is on MacOS these days...

I recently switched from MacPorts to Homebrew & from previous trials of Nix, MacPorts support is well ahead of Nix.

I used MacPorts for many years without many issues - only recently just started to get a little too frustrated with some new utils that were Homebrew-only & finally capitulated. So you can get very far with MacPorts (& it's a far better system than brew).

Be great to see something gain traction over Homebrew but I have a feeling many devs out there will only ever bother publishing on a single distribution platform for MacOS (whatever happens to be most popular).

Re: The Disappointing Tea.xyz

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Post by shepherdjerred »

lucideer wrote: post #15
nocobot wrote: post #14

Max Howell (creator of homebrew) is also behind tea.xyz imo that give them some more credibility or at least makes me think that they probably are well intentioned

> more credibility I would say the opposite. Homebrew isn't a broadly well-respected project from a purely engineering perspective (i.e. by anyone who's engaged with it in earnest) - it gets contributions because it has user-capture / network effect, but there's a lot of contributors would would prefer to be publishing packages on a more nicely stewarded platform.

Are you kidding? I love Homebrew.

I install it on my Linux devices too. It allows me to easily install up-to-date versions of just about any software I care about.

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