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Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by 15457345234 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #18
krisoft wrote: post #14

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> until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things We are adults, we are having a substantive discussion about the topic. > without it being part of an attempt to get laid I don’t understand this part. I don’t know how this conversation would get anyone laid: “hey we just found out that bad actors are misusing our system, how do you think we should prevent this? Should we ban all monetise…

I've been on HN for closing in on fifteen years. I have been open from the start about having been molested and raped as a child and also about being a divorced single mom who needs an income. Most men who talk to me more than a little are hoping to get involved with me romantically. Trying to use HN to network professionally and establish an adequate income has been a spectacular failure. While homeless, I was the "…

> I still cannot manage to use this platform the way plenty of men do so: To earn an adequate living.

Uh, what on earth gives you the impression that people are using this niche forum to earn an adequate living? Maybe people use it to find jobs in the sector if they have relevant skills but to make a living from the platform itself...?

I mean, how would you even go about doing that?

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by DoreenMichele »

15457345234 wrote: post #21
DoreenMichele wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been on HN for closing in on fifteen years. I have been open from the start about having been molested and raped as a child and also about being a divorced single mom who needs an income. Most men who talk to me more than a little are hoping to get involved with me romantically. Trying to use HN to network professionally and establish an adequate income has been a spectacular failure. While homeless, I was the "…

> I still cannot manage to use this platform the way plenty of men do so: To earn an adequate living. Uh, what on earth gives you the impression that people are using this niche forum to earn an adequate living? Maybe people use it to find jobs in the sector if they have relevant skills but to make a living from the platform itself...? I mean, how would you even go about doing that?

...what on earth gives you the impression...

I have been here nearly fifteen years. I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here.

I will let others decide if the entire community will, as usual, let someone assert that I am imagining things they know is fact or will for once back me up.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by 15457345234 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #22
15457345234 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I still cannot manage to use this platform the way plenty of men do so: To earn an adequate living. Uh, what on earth gives you the impression that people are using this niche forum to earn an adequate living? Maybe people use it to find jobs in the sector if they have relevant skills but to make a living from the platform itself...? I mean, how would you even go about doing that?

...what on earth gives you the impression... I have been here nearly fifteen years. I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. I will let others decide if the entire community will, as usual, let someone assert that I am imagining things they know is fact or will for once back me up.

I'm not arguing with you, I just don't understand _how_ this is occurring.

Self-promotion of products? I can see that. You aren't promoting any products. Did you try that in the past?

Self-promotion of written content or a blog? Yeah a lot of the links here are from URLs I've never seen before, are people actually making money or just blowing their own horn?

I'm asking you by what mechanism people make money here, as in, actual money, not beer money. Because I can see people making 5 cents a word back through adwords, but beyond that...

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by DoreenMichele »

15457345234 wrote: post #23
DoreenMichele wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...what on earth gives you the impression... I have been here nearly fifteen years. I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. I will let others decide if the entire community will, as usual, let someone assert that I am imagining things they know is fact or will for once back me up.

I'm not arguing with you, I just don't understand _how_ this is occurring. Self-promotion of products? I can see that. You aren't promoting any products. Did you try that in the past? Self-promotion of written content or a blog? Yeah a lot of the links here are from URLs I've never seen before, are people actually making money or just blowing their own horn? I'm asking you by what mechanism people make money here, as…

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Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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DoreenMichele wrote: post #24
15457345234 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not arguing with you, I just don't understand _how_ this is occurring. Self-promotion of products? I can see that. You aren't promoting any products. Did you try that in the past? Self-promotion of written content or a blog? Yeah a lot of the links here are from URLs I've never seen before, are people actually making money or just blowing their own horn? I'm asking you by what mechanism people make money here, as…

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Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by washadjeffmad »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #6
raoulkent wrote: post #5

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Arguing that pedophiles would not be problematic if there was legalisation of sec work is an absurd notion.

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that the world is hella uptight and it drives both things, not that one would fix the other. But I do think if adults felt they could just pay for sex to meet their needs like you pay for a hamburger at Burger King because you are hungry and that didn't have to be illegal or surreptitious, you would have a world where these conversations were easier to have and people would be more l…

It has turned the spectre of abuse into a boogeyman, ripe for political misuse.

It becomes not just passable, but preferable to allow any legislator who cites it as their intent to have what they want rather than potentially open discussion on such a "sensitive topic". What would the newspapers print?

And without a third party to properly mock them, they can stay forever locked in their intensely serious and twisted dance of feeding the beast and shoveling its shit.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by jddj »

javajosh wrote: post #10

The title alone is problematic. Do not auto-makers enable kidnapping and robbery? Do not camera-makers enable child exploitation? Tools don't have morality - people do. Consider that the same argument is routinely used to criticize, for example, secure chat services like Signal. If you really want to protect children, just put a smart-collar on every child that records every interaction they have, and put it online f…

"we promote accounts of exploited children to internally- and algorithmically- suspected pedophiles" doesn't strike me as an article they'd pay to have written.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by salawat »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #22
15457345234 wrote: post #21

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> I still cannot manage to use this platform the way plenty of men do so: To earn an adequate living. Uh, what on earth gives you the impression that people are using this niche forum to earn an adequate living? Maybe people use it to find jobs in the sector if they have relevant skills but to make a living from the platform itself...? I mean, how would you even go about doing that?

...what on earth gives you the impression... I have been here nearly fifteen years. I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. I will let others decide if the entire community will, as usual, let someone assert that I am imagining things they know is fact or will for once back me up.

>I have been here nearly fifteen years. I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here.

Well... Yes. The way it works is the people who established reap ideas from the technically minded, but not necessarily business minded. Once the idea bubbles up sufficiently to be recognized as a viable business opportunity for someone, it is either acted on by onramping the originator to a source of funding/offers of partnership, or just run off with. Back when interest rates were zero, a Unicorn was well worth the risk if it decided to turn into a Pegasus.

That it functions as a cadre of technically/business literate individuals is a bonus in a sense. But I tend to limit myself to trying to be a voice for sanity here; as I've found that sometimes the tendency of YC to encourage people to disregard ethical constraints sometimes requires a bucket of cold water to remedy or at least give the Feds a datapoint in the inevitable investigation that someone was told somewhere that X is not a good idea.

Plus, it's a great way to keep a finger on what the people I vote "Most likely to facilitate the creation of an unconstrained technical helltopia" are up to.

If you're looking for people with a shred of unconditional decency (if such a person exists), mayhaps look elsewhere.

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