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Re: Console.delight

#21

Post by SuperNinKenDo »

CSSer wrote: post #15

The only thing I beg of you is please don’t ship this in client-side libraries. Most of you will know better, but some of the things I see in third-party libraries really blow my mind. The last one was Pudgy the Panda as console ASCII art for some donation embed (their mascot). Sure, it’s cute, but that’s also multiple kilobytes of JS you’re forcing on your clients for whimsy in an already crowded environment. Apolog…

Would prefer that to all the tracking and telemtry shoved at us through JavaScript. What kind of world is it where whimsy is infuriating, and this mass surveilance framework is just how things are.

Re: Console.delight

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Post by fragmede »

CSSer wrote: post #15

The only thing I beg of you is please don’t ship this in client-side libraries. Most of you will know better, but some of the things I see in third-party libraries really blow my mind. The last one was Pudgy the Panda as console ASCII art for some donation embed (their mascot). Sure, it’s cute, but that’s also multiple kilobytes of JS you’re forcing on your clients for whimsy in an already crowded environment. Apolog…

> Pudgy the Panda as console ASCII art for some donation embed (their mascot).

Which library is this? Couldn't find it via a quick Google.

Re: Console.delight

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Post by oefrha »

CSSer wrote: post #15

The only thing I beg of you is please don’t ship this in client-side libraries. Most of you will know better, but some of the things I see in third-party libraries really blow my mind. The last one was Pudgy the Panda as console ASCII art for some donation embed (their mascot). Sure, it’s cute, but that’s also multiple kilobytes of JS you’re forcing on your clients for whimsy in an already crowded environment. Apolog…

That's a lot better than some frontend library adding an "Easter egg" so that every website using it, including some very serious ones, had Santa beards on their buttons on Christmas a few years back (can't find the story now). Of course you may argue it was users' fault who should have vetted every single line of their dependency, but let's be real.

Unfortunately there are a lot of unprofessional people in open source, and while I hate to stereotype, they are especially prevalent in the JavaScript community where it's typical to have hundreds to thousands of unknown dependencies in every project. What can be done? I don't know. (Before I'm labeled as entitled -- I spend a lot of time on open source, without the unprofessional behavior.)

Re: Console.delight

#25

Post by Semaphor »

oefrha wrote: post #23
CSSer wrote: post #15

The only thing I beg of you is please don’t ship this in client-side libraries. Most of you will know better, but some of the things I see in third-party libraries really blow my mind. The last one was Pudgy the Panda as console ASCII art for some donation embed (their mascot). Sure, it’s cute, but that’s also multiple kilobytes of JS you’re forcing on your clients for whimsy in an already crowded environment. Apolog…

That's a lot better than some frontend library adding an "Easter egg" so that every website using it, including some very serious ones, had Santa beards on their buttons on Christmas a few years back (can't find the story now). Of course you may argue it was users' fault who should have vetted every single line of their dependency, but let's be real. Unfortunately there are a lot of unprofessional people in open sour…

"js library easter egg christmas" brought me to this HN post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18758697

Re: Console.delight

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Post by coldtea »

CSSer wrote: post #15

The only thing I beg of you is please don’t ship this in client-side libraries. Most of you will know better, but some of the things I see in third-party libraries really blow my mind. The last one was Pudgy the Panda as console ASCII art for some donation embed (their mascot). Sure, it’s cute, but that’s also multiple kilobytes of JS you’re forcing on your clients for whimsy in an already crowded environment. Apolog…

>Apologies if I sound old and cranky.

Worse, you sound new and square. In the olden times such "easter eggs" or cool logos were welcome, and in the DOS days (but also in the Unix console) often included ASCII art.

Re: Console.delight

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Post by coldtea »

klabb3 wrote: post #17
CSSer wrote: post #15

The only thing I beg of you is please don’t ship this in client-side libraries. Most of you will know better, but some of the things I see in third-party libraries really blow my mind. The last one was Pudgy the Panda as console ASCII art for some donation embed (their mascot). Sure, it’s cute, but that’s also multiple kilobytes of JS you’re forcing on your clients for whimsy in an already crowded environment. Apolog…

You’re not old and cranky. Just (minimally base line) responsible. Many frontend projects have 100s of deps, and while that’s a separate problem, imagine if a large fraction of them spammed bandwidth and console output with this.

A project with "100s of deps" is already irresponsible and bloated for that alone.

Some logo or ASCII art in some/most of those deps would hardly be the real issue.

Re: Console.delight

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Post by pests »

SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #21
CSSer wrote: post #15

The only thing I beg of you is please don’t ship this in client-side libraries. Most of you will know better, but some of the things I see in third-party libraries really blow my mind. The last one was Pudgy the Panda as console ASCII art for some donation embed (their mascot). Sure, it’s cute, but that’s also multiple kilobytes of JS you’re forcing on your clients for whimsy in an already crowded environment. Apolog…

Would prefer that to all the tracking and telemtry shoved at us through JavaScript. What kind of world is it where whimsy is infuriating, and this mass surveilance framework is just how things are.

one is invisible

Re: Console.delight

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Post by atoav »

oefrha wrote: post #23
CSSer wrote: post #15

The only thing I beg of you is please don’t ship this in client-side libraries. Most of you will know better, but some of the things I see in third-party libraries really blow my mind. The last one was Pudgy the Panda as console ASCII art for some donation embed (their mascot). Sure, it’s cute, but that’s also multiple kilobytes of JS you’re forcing on your clients for whimsy in an already crowded environment. Apolog…

That's a lot better than some frontend library adding an "Easter egg" so that every website using it, including some very serious ones, had Santa beards on their buttons on Christmas a few years back (can't find the story now). Of course you may argue it was users' fault who should have vetted every single line of their dependency, but let's be real. Unfortunately there are a lot of unprofessional people in open sour…

Sorry to be that guy, but if you are using an open source library and it adds hats that you're unhappy with that means you did not check the library you are including.

Maybe not looking at code one includes in a product has become much too common practise, but if some library for a button (funny I never felt the need to use one) includes special stylings on special days and you included it, that is on you. Sure it would have been nice of them to point this out if they didn't, but after all you are taking someone elses code for a button so you should know what it does.

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