Sometimes it doesn't work out. You either fail to deliver because it was too challenging or the company changes direction. And even then you still learned some new skills. But when you succeed people notice. And then you go out and talk about what you did and people outside of your company notice too.
So You Want to be a Big Shot: Advice on playing the promotion game
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#22I don’t mean to be cynical, or throw cold water on anyone’s ambitions, but I do want to add a different perspective here for those that care enough to read on.
I entered the professional software world at a time when there simply weren’t enough people building software. There was an extremely high priority on “bringing people up” throughout the industry. That didn’t change for decades.
But today there are approximately the right number of folks doing this work; still too few but the scarcity of candidates is far worse in other industries. Frankly, an electrician may have better long term prospects as far as I can see. But more importantly, this industry has matured and the focus is more “normal” (market adjacency, efficiency, risk reduction, globalization, benchmarking, etc). There is plenty of opportunity still, but also less.
In addition to that “cheerful” opinion, I’ll offer that I (to some degree) regret moving “up” so quickly. I missed opportunities to become truly expert by taking on new roles. It all worked out okay, but didn’t do much for my imposter syndrome. And, it kept me in positions working for others when I (looking back) would have done better financially and felt better about it had I pursued my own path (entrepreneurship). Hence, being here on HN and paying attention to YC.
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#23In big tech, I have found the following to be critical for engineers.: TLDR: Team selection is 70% of it. 1. Find team with high turnover, overall low tenure. Avoid high tenure teams at literally all costs. The politics will be high, and there will be a line to get promoted. Try to figure out if someone is being primed to be promoted. Do not join the team if this is the case. 2. Further filter for teams that are some…
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#24In big tech, I have found the following to be critical for engineers.: TLDR: Team selection is 70% of it. 1. Find team with high turnover, overall low tenure. Avoid high tenure teams at literally all costs. The politics will be high, and there will be a line to get promoted. Try to figure out if someone is being primed to be promoted. Do not join the team if this is the case. 2. Further filter for teams that are some…
So avoid working with people that can teach you things? That’s not a great plan.
If not for my role as a fresh out of college QA person working in a team of 6 deeply expert, very senior folks (with essentially zero turnover) I would absolutely not be where I am today.
Re: So You Want to be a Big Shot: Advice on playing the promotion game
#25In big tech, I have found the following to be critical for engineers.: TLDR: Team selection is 70% of it. 1. Find team with high turnover, overall low tenure. Avoid high tenure teams at literally all costs. The politics will be high, and there will be a line to get promoted. Try to figure out if someone is being primed to be promoted. Do not join the team if this is the case. 2. Further filter for teams that are some…
> Avoid high tenure teams at literally all costs. So avoid working with people that can teach you things? That’s not a great plan. If not for my role as a fresh out of college QA person working in a team of 6 deeply expert, very senior folks (with essentially zero turnover) I would absolutely not be where I am today.
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#26This advice is not wrong, but honestly it could be way more cynical. The first step to get promoted is to understand the promotion process of your current company, if they have a formal one. It took me one year to learn how promos work in my current company, and that was one whole year of progress lost. Then if you really want to get promoted fast, you need to optimize to meet the promo criteria. Often that is in lin…
> Then if you really want to get promoted fast, you need to optimize to meet the promo criteria. This gets repeated all the time, but it’s easy to overdo it. It’s true that you’re not going to get promoted if you don’t meet the promotion criteria, so you have to meet the criteria if you want to move up. However, I’m seeing more and more juniors who think promotion criteria are some game they’re going to min-max, and…
Exactly! Do a generally good job; don't be an asshole; read the promotion rubric, but don't read it every day; it's far more important to understand what the strategy of your team/org/division is and work towards that.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Avoid high tenure teams at literally all costs. So avoid working with people that can teach you things? That’s not a great plan. If not for my role as a fresh out of college QA person working in a team of 6 deeply expert, very senior folks (with essentially zero turnover) I would absolutely not be where I am today.
If you want to get promoted, go where there is a low bar
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just make up new titles. Super Senior. Super Senior II. Hyper Senior II Turbo. Super Senior: Ultra Instinct.
You're making a joke (and the reference is great) but this is actually what happens. It's where the idea of "Lead" came from, and in many other industries it's much worse. It's why in business there's "(Acting) Associate Senior Execuitve Global Managing Director, Clients and Markets" type positions, so nobody can definitively compare themselves to one another ("oh, so you'll be reporting to me") and people can feel l…
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#29all that energy wasted learning and playing faangesque promotion monopoly.
that energy could have been spent passionately learning and building cool stuff.
stuff that doesn’t just look good on the packaging, but is actually good.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want to get promoted, go where there is a low bar
Is that a conclusion grown by thinking of promotions as a win/lose against your peers? That’s never been my experience. I was less capable and valuable than my peers in my first role but was promoted quickly and repeatedly by learning quickly from them.