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Windows-as-a-nuisance: How I clean up a "clean install" of Windows 11 and Edge

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Re: Windows-as-a-nuisance: How I clean up a "clean install" of Windows 11 and Edge

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Is there any good reason for anyone to be installing windows anymore other than locked-in enterprise IT setups? Gaming was the big holdout and even that doesn't feel too relevant these days

There is not a single good Linux DE. So the other option is macOS. Good hardware but the os is annoying in some parts.

I'm not sure I'd agree that macOS presents a good desktop environment. Truly good desktop environments died eith Windows 7 I'd say.

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I use OOShutUp and it's a huge time saver. Select All, or go with their recommendations and that's it. Always surprised at how many people don't know about it. https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 > O&O ShutUp10++: Free antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11 > O&O ShutUp10++ is entirely free and does not have to be installed – it can be simply run directly and immediately on your PC. And it will not install or downloa…

OOSU is fantastic, much better than the other options I've used.

Their O&O AppBuster is also great for cleaning up.

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Yes. Frankly, there's still a lot of software that is either only available on Windows or only works well on Windows. Plus, for all its criticisms, Windows is very good at "just working" out of the box without having to fiddle with it. For 99% of of people out there, that's preferable to all the headaches you can get under Linux. And for gaming, yes, it's still essentially the only real option. Out of the library of…

IME just enabling experimental proton support in Steam is enough to run 75-85% of games I'm interested in.

I gave Linux a try again on my laptop and the first game I tried (EVE Online) just said "not supported" when I tried to run it via Steam. So not a good start so far.

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anything with kernel level anti cheat is a non starter unfortunately...that being said games shouldn't be doing that anyway

I've never encountered that (though something similar happened with a ubisoft game on my unmodified Nintendo Switch...), but can't you just grab a pirate copy if this happens?

Not for multiplayer stuff where anti-cheat is commonly used.

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Is there any good reason for anyone to be installing windows anymore other than locked-in enterprise IT setups? Gaming was the big holdout and even that doesn't feel too relevant these days

Gaming, apps that only run on windows, ease of use, stability/reliability.

I last installed windows on my PC a couple years ago after upgrading CPU/Motherboard, and since then it just trucks along with zero issues, every game I play works perfectly, and programs I use are easy to install and work reliably.

I have Linux on my laptop and it's nice not having the bloat, but it's also a huge pain getting things working.

Just today I tried to install DaVinci Resolve to do some editing and it's throwing library errors for some reason, why doesn't it resolve it automatically? Or better yet why doesn't the installer come with them like it does on windows? Linux tends to leave everything up to the user which sucks.

Also tried to play EVE through Steam, but it just says "unsupported OS" when I click play with no other help or explanation.

Everything on Linux feels like pulling a tooth, sure it'll eventually work after a lot of time and effort, until something updates and breaks everything again.

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Is there any good reason for anyone to be installing windows anymore other than locked-in enterprise IT setups? Gaming was the big holdout and even that doesn't feel too relevant these days

Linux is a chore and I'm not buying a Mac.

I've experimented with Windows, Linux, and Mac to varying degrees and have recently settled back on Windows. Here's my perspective:

- Mac: Ideal for those who don't mind a more controlled environment, where Apple dictates much of the user experience. While it's possible to customize beyond Apple's defaults, doing so can complicate things.

- Linux: Suited for users who can tolerate some unpredictability. It offers the most control, particularly on desktop, and can be incredibly efficient when functioning smoothly. However, maintaining this state can require significant effort, as updates may disrupt previously stable features like hibernation, graphics drivers, and Japanese input. The introduction of Wayland has further complicated the landscape.

- Windows: Strikes a balance between Linux's flexibility and Mac's controlled ecosystem. While it lacks Linux's high degree of customization, it's less restrictive than Mac. The Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) provides a competent Linux experience for many use cases. Although troubleshooting can be challenging, issues are generally less frequent compared to Linux.

After transitioning from Windows to Mac to Linux and back to Windows, I've gained a newfound appreciation for Windows, especially its later versions. Despite its flaws, Windows emerges as the platform requiring the least maintenance, efficiently facilitating both work and leisure with minimal friction—at least in my experience.

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Is there any good reason for anyone to be installing windows anymore other than locked-in enterprise IT setups? Gaming was the big holdout and even that doesn't feel too relevant these days

Gaming, apps that only run on windows, ease of use, stability/reliability. I last installed windows on my PC a couple years ago after upgrading CPU/Motherboard, and since then it just trucks along with zero issues, every game I play works perfectly, and programs I use are easy to install and work reliably. I have Linux on my laptop and it's nice not having the bloat, but it's also a huge pain getting things working.…

For Eve, change the Compatibility option to use Proton Experimental. It's rated Gold on ProtonDB.

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Gaming, apps that only run on windows, ease of use, stability/reliability. I last installed windows on my PC a couple years ago after upgrading CPU/Motherboard, and since then it just trucks along with zero issues, every game I play works perfectly, and programs I use are easy to install and work reliably. I have Linux on my laptop and it's nice not having the bloat, but it's also a huge pain getting things working.…

For Eve, change the Compatibility option to use Proton Experimental. It's rated Gold on ProtonDB.

Actually maybe not Experimental. Just use whatever ProtonDB recommends

Re: Windows-as-a-nuisance: How I clean up a "clean install" of Windows 11 and Edge

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Gaming, apps that only run on windows, ease of use, stability/reliability. I last installed windows on my PC a couple years ago after upgrading CPU/Motherboard, and since then it just trucks along with zero issues, every game I play works perfectly, and programs I use are easy to install and work reliably. I have Linux on my laptop and it's nice not having the bloat, but it's also a huge pain getting things working.…

For Eve, change the Compatibility option to use Proton Experimental. It's rated Gold on ProtonDB.

Thanks I'll try that, don't understand why it's not using it by default.

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Yes. Frankly, there's still a lot of software that is either only available on Windows or only works well on Windows. Plus, for all its criticisms, Windows is very good at "just working" out of the box without having to fiddle with it. For 99% of of people out there, that's preferable to all the headaches you can get under Linux. And for gaming, yes, it's still essentially the only real option. Out of the library of…

Strange. About 90% of my windows game library (99% of my windows + dos library) run on Linux. Only about 50% of my windows game library still runs on windows. MacOS is even worse: ~33% of my mac games still run on macos; ~90% of them have windows/linux ports that run on Linux.

I assume you're playing a lot of older games, so Linux support is generally OK. But with newer stuff and especially competitive multiplayer stuff support is not very good on Linux.
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