oh cool so the contributors of the data are all getting paid?
Or course! Same way we get paid by for the ideas we discuss here
Exactly. If you don’t get value from HN, don’t use HN. If you don’t get value from Reddit, don’t use Reddit.
Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
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#22> Google Search is currently expanding the test of a "forums" filter that lets you browse through results from sites with human discussion, like Reddit Yeah, about that whole "human discussion" thing...
Fair point that a lot of Reddit is already astroturfed, but this is definitely the final nail in the coffin. Now SEO is coming for the forums, too. Wonderful.
In fairness, Reddit's built-in search works well enough that I could still find stuff on Reddit if Google croaked tomorrow.
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#23oh cool so the contributors of the data are all getting paid?
> oh cool so the contributors of the data are all getting paid?
If people on reddit wanted to get paid for their opinions, they wouldn't be posting them for free on a publicly accessible forum that does not even require an account to view...
This same sentiment came up when StackExchange started to use/sell StackOverflow posts for AI training too - yet everyone arguing that position failed to recognize StackExchange has been making money off their free contributions since day one. Like, how else would StackExchange even exist? They can sell job postings now because of all the free contributions and community built up over the past decade - same with Reddit...
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#24$60M/year for GOOG to access all their data when they purport to be targeting a $5B valuation at IPO is really cheap. Arguably Reddit's value is it's data, and GOOG is renting it for 1.2%/year?
Google are already indexing Reddit, so this might reflect the incremental value of direct API access plus keeping everyone happy. I would be surprised if Reddit’s threats to block Google’s crawler were all that credible.
It's 100% this - Google is going out and shopping so they can get easy access and avoid any future lawsuits if things change in the AI training space.
I imagine this wont be the last announcement in this space.
Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
#25oh cool so the contributors of the data are all getting paid?
you guys are getting paid?
Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
#26oh cool so the contributors of the data are all getting paid?
All platforms are moving to monetize content contributors. It’s worked amazing for YouTube, TikTok, and Twitch. X is trying it slowly.
Reddit could potentially do this but I don’t think they have a solid business model to support it yet. They are scrambling for money streams, not content. Although high end supported content drives ad views so who knows.
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#27Someone should create a bot that responds to highly upvoted comments and remind the redditor that Reddit is making money off the comment and the information is being used by AI and they aren't seeing a dime of it.
That's arguably more true in advertising driven reddit than AI reddit - no one comment is going to be worth the most in a data scraper but eyeballs win in advertising.
I think the entire thing is scummy too, but its interesting to me how people think that advertisers were somehow less bad than this.
Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
#28$60M/year for GOOG to access all their data when they purport to be targeting a $5B valuation at IPO is really cheap. Arguably Reddit's value is it's data, and GOOG is renting it for 1.2%/year?
Is this being announced as permanently exclusive?
Otherwise, Reddit is productizing its data, which was the obvious next step after closing public API access. This establishes a market price that at least one buyer was willing to accept, and shapes the terms for later deals with more customers.
Presumably, they think they can sell this kind of access many time over as one of their major revenue channels while also benefiting from the incoming traffic it should generate.
Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
#29$60M/year for GOOG to access all their data when they purport to be targeting a $5B valuation at IPO is really cheap. Arguably Reddit's value is it's data, and GOOG is renting it for 1.2%/year?
1. It is pointless to compare total company value with an annual payment.
2. It isn't an exclusive license. There are dozens of companies training language models, and if they are all forced to pay the same amount then that's some serious cash.
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#30This can't be exclusive for that amount or could it?
No way it’s exclusive. Reddit is making a push to find new $$ streams for their IPO and the API is a big part of that with AI being hot. They probably have lots of deals for their new API already and this one is just making headlines because it’s Google and it’s yearly/unlimited/relatively large.