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Google Reneged on the Monopolistic Bargain

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Re: Google Reneged on the Monopolistic Bargain

#21

> A company that can't figure out the difference between a scam like Better Homes and Gardens and a rigorous review site like Housefresh should be pouring every spare dime it brings in into fixing this problem. Not buying default search status on every platform so that we never try another search engine: they should be fixing their shit.

Google has sucked for years, and the level of sucking has been covered extensively on hn.

The one thing that was a real shock was how much more gas was left in the ad model engine. They've managed to grow substantially over the past couple of years largely by pushing advertisers in to a ROAS model that is clearly optimized to make Google more money: gross almost 2x from 2019 to 2023 -- from $161b to $307b. Net income more than doubled -- from $34b to $73.8b.

Google, Google's employees, and Google's shareholders don't need nearly $1b in revenue a day. What they do just isn't that important anymore. That money is very much a tax, and ultimately the money consumers are paying for products and services is going to Google instead of making the product or service better.

The good news is there are now many alternatives that work as well or better than Google. Combine that with LLM options (Perplexity, ChatGPT), and the future looks Google-lite or Google-free. It would be even better if we had more decentralized & localized search options like YaCy. If we want to have any control over our search future we need it.

I'll just keep repeating this: Google today is a yellow pages. For search they offer little of value that isn't provided by others. Old people keep using Google because that's what they have been using for years or because it just shows up (like the yellow pages did, but now as a default.)

Re: Google Reneged on the Monopolistic Bargain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in the US, I believe we've proven that anti-competition regulations don't work and that the government realized its easier to regulate the consumer than to deal with regulating massive corporations. If you want to win reelection you're much better off taking massive piles of cash from big businesses and regulate consumers to help create the monopolies. Trying to protect consumers by breaking up monopolies an…

In the US we've proven that it's easiest to just talk about anti-competition regulation to buy votes and then never actually get around to improving or enforcing it. After all, if you solve problems, you lose platforms to run the next election on.

I don’t think that last sentence follows. There are always more problems to solve. They’re just stupid and lazy and loyal to their owners.

Re: Google Reneged on the Monopolistic Bargain

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well summarized. Anti-competition has become the new standard operating model.

At least in the US, I believe we've proven that anti-competition regulations don't work and that the government realized its easier to regulate the consumer than to deal with regulating massive corporations. If you want to win reelection you're much better off taking massive piles of cash from big businesses and regulate consumers to help create the monopolies. Trying to protect consumers by breaking up monopolies an…

I think you are missing the third leg of this, which is how those monopolies extend outside of the US and act as part of the states global soft power strategy in those other countries where they are also monopolies.

The US is no more likely to break them up as it is to cut its military budget in half.

Re: Google Reneged on the Monopolistic Bargain

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post #5

Amazingly written, hilarious, but I figured out what’s frustrating me: the focus on being a consumer. If you’re using words like “enshittocene” I feel you should think a little more about writing a post focusing on why Google isn’t helpful for product reviews. Google n co are destroying democracy and the planet itself , and to spend our final days complaining that sometimes people buy bad products seems out of touch.…

Well if it doesn't have that one singular job, you're admitting it shouldn't exist. Monopolies are illegal, Google shouldn't exist. Neither should Amazon, Microsoft, etc. Having massive marketing apparatuses that are larger than your company shouldn't be legal. Leave it to Americans to fully profiteer lies, marketing, and propaganda.

I agree ;) tho I think it’s unfair to blame the Americans, the Brits brewed up capitalism as revenge for their weather

Re: Google Reneged on the Monopolistic Bargain

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US we've proven that it's easiest to just talk about anti-competition regulation to buy votes and then never actually get around to improving or enforcing it. After all, if you solve problems, you lose platforms to run the next election on.

I don’t think that last sentence follows. There are always more problems to solve. They’re just stupid and lazy and loyal to their owners.

I'd argue there are always more problems, we don't have to solve them all nor should we assume that we can.

Re: Google Reneged on the Monopolistic Bargain

#27
The framing of this as a Google issue would suggest that other search engines wouldn’t have this issue, but I’m not sure that’s true? The “air purifier” search on DDG seems to give the same set of blogspam results: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=best+air+purifier+for+pet+hai...

Can someone with Kagi check to see if Kagi does better here?

Re: Google Reneged on the Monopolistic Bargain

#28
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well summarized. Anti-competition has become the new standard operating model.

At least in the US, I believe we've proven that anti-competition regulations don't work and that the government realized its easier to regulate the consumer than to deal with regulating massive corporations. If you want to win reelection you're much better off taking massive piles of cash from big businesses and regulate consumers to help create the monopolies. Trying to protect consumers by breaking up monopolies an…

Comrade, if you think the US is bad you should come check out Canada.

Re: Google Reneged on the Monopolistic Bargain

#29
post #4

So... the problem isn't that Google search isn't good but that (1) the ads sold are many and to some people who are scammers, and (2) enough of how the search engine algorithm works has become common knowledge and exploited by SEO experts seeking to inflate the relevance of sites by using what they know of how Google ranks search results. But for this to become a problem Google first had to come up with a system bett…

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You're too sweet!

Re: Google Reneged on the Monopolistic Bargain

#30
post #27

The framing of this as a Google issue would suggest that other search engines wouldn’t have this issue, but I’m not sure that’s true? The “air purifier” search on DDG seems to give the same set of blogspam results: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=best+air+purifier+for+pet+hai... Can someone with Kagi check to see if Kagi does better here?

Searched on Kagi, my first result was a reddit post on /r/dyson [1], second result was a Medium post without much substance, then there's a collection of blogspam neatly arranged in a box with just the title of the pages (not polluting much, I can just skip that box), third to ninth result are varying degrees of blogs and the tenth result is WebMD [2].

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/dyson/comments/1730x73/best_air_pur...

[2] https://www.webmd.com/pets/how-to-choose-an-air-purifier-for...

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