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Re: Same. Leaving Apple Hardware

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Post by smoldesu »

catchnear4321 wrote: post #13
smoldesu wrote: post #10

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Why would wealthy people support a bill that universally limits the capacity of wealthy companies? To... enable better competition and limit the provenance of Gatekeeper businesses? And that's bad for citizens? You're welcome to explain your theory more but I don't think the thumbtacks are lining up on your proverbial corkboard. > sometimes picking a hill to die on is more about dying than hills. Microsoft quit being…

oh goodness, why would wealthy people care about a single bill? this was never a single generation game. also rather offensive that you make such an accusation. you’re incorrect, but will you even admit the assertion made so casually?

What's more suspicious to me is that someone would make a seemingly obvious assertion but refuse to explain it. Help us understand what you mean instead.

Re: Same. Leaving Apple Hardware

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Post by smoldesu »

jwells89 wrote: post #19
smoldesu wrote: post #17

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> they made M-series Macs capable of booting third party operating systems when it would’ve been much easier to not do that "much easier" is maybe a stretch. Both options come with their own tradeoffs; rework the boot system to be like iOS and you have to rewrite the software to be compatible. Plus, it's not like their boot process comes with UEFI or a nicely-documented interface; it's a black-box with devicetree dri…

Standardization is an entirely different argument. The point is that it’s unlikely that Apple wants to do away with the Terminal because it treats the Mac differently than it does its other devices.

I still don't agree with your point, then. Apple does treat the Mac just like their other devices, and they use it as the justification for sweeping API depreciation and user-hostile software decisions. If Apple made a decent way to develop apps entirely in Xcode, I wouldn't trust them to keep iTerm around for a second.

Xcode Cloud is the writing on the wall, don't say we didn't warn ye: https://developer.apple.com/xcode-cloud/

Re: Same. Leaving Apple Hardware

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Post by jwells89 »

smoldesu wrote: post #22
jwells89 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standardization is an entirely different argument. The point is that it’s unlikely that Apple wants to do away with the Terminal because it treats the Mac differently than it does its other devices.

I still don't agree with your point, then. Apple does treat the Mac just like their other devices, and they use it as the justification for sweeping API depreciation and user-hostile software decisions. If Apple made a decent way to develop apps entirely in Xcode, I wouldn't trust them to keep iTerm around for a second. Xcode Cloud is the writing on the wall, don't say we didn't warn ye: https://developer.apple.com/x…

API deprecation on macOS is somewhat overblown. It’s not difficult to get a decades old FOSS Mac app compiling again, and it’s even possible to get projects targeting OS X precursors building with a little effort. Binary compatibility is what gets broken more frequently and is necessary to keep an OS from tripping on its own compatibility hacks.

Should macOS ever lose its terminal and associated capabilities, it’d spur mass migration of users from several STEM fields overnight. It’d be a colossally stupid move that’d destroy a sizable chunk of revenue coming from sales of high-margin and high-spec machines and services that these users buy to use with those machines.

Re: Same. Leaving Apple Hardware

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Post by catchnear4321 »

smoldesu wrote: post #21
catchnear4321 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh goodness, why would wealthy people care about a single bill? this was never a single generation game. also rather offensive that you make such an accusation. you’re incorrect, but will you even admit the assertion made so casually?

What's more suspicious to me is that someone would make a seemingly obvious assertion but refuse to explain it. Help us understand what you mean instead.

so you won’t then. you are forgiven.

it’s important to stop playing silly games of red versus blue from time to time. but carry on.

what star are you from? or would you say the whole circle.

Re: Same. Leaving Apple Hardware

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Post by smoldesu »

catchnear4321 wrote: post #24
smoldesu wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's more suspicious to me is that someone would make a seemingly obvious assertion but refuse to explain it. Help us understand what you mean instead.

so you won’t then. you are forgiven. it’s important to stop playing silly games of red versus blue from time to time. but carry on. what star are you from? or would you say the whole circle.

https://paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Re: Same. Leaving Apple Hardware

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Post by smoldesu »

jwells89 wrote: post #23
smoldesu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't agree with your point, then. Apple does treat the Mac just like their other devices, and they use it as the justification for sweeping API depreciation and user-hostile software decisions. If Apple made a decent way to develop apps entirely in Xcode, I wouldn't trust them to keep iTerm around for a second. Xcode Cloud is the writing on the wall, don't say we didn't warn ye: https://developer.apple.com/x…

API deprecation on macOS is somewhat overblown. It’s not difficult to get a decades old FOSS Mac app compiling again, and it’s even possible to get projects targeting OS X precursors building with a little effort. Binary compatibility is what gets broken more frequently and is necessary to keep an OS from tripping on its own compatibility hacks. Should macOS ever lose its terminal and associated capabilities, it’d sp…

Really it depends on perspective. The #1 reason I left MacOS after Mojave was the fact that none of the APIs I deployed to were naively available anymore. I had to buy a new computer to get updates for the same software I used before. I waited for Apple to reverse their stance, but it never happened.

It's entirely feasible that most people don't encounter the breakage or even notice it. Developers do though, and the breakage on MacOS is legitimately unprecedented. It's the most prominent example of API decay I've seen in a long time.

Re: Same. Leaving Apple Hardware

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Post by catchnear4321 »

smoldesu wrote: post #25
catchnear4321 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so you won’t then. you are forgiven. it’s important to stop playing silly games of red versus blue from time to time. but carry on. what star are you from? or would you say the whole circle.

https://paulgraham.com/disagree.html

no thank you

Re: Same. Leaving Apple Hardware

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Post by bediger4000 »

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #4

> I'll need to compile and submit, to live in their ecosystem; where apps are free to manipulate me. advertise at me. Apps are more free to manipulate and advertise to you on the web than they are as native apps.

You can run ad blockers for Web apps. You can't for "the app". I'm with this dude

Re: Same. Leaving Apple Hardware

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

jwells89 wrote: post #20
frfl wrote: post #18

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The linked website literally causes my fan and cpu, and I'm assuming the commenter's fan cpu too, to go to 100%. Anyone running the latest and greatest hardware will likely never notice. But 99% of the world doesn't run the latest and greatest. I think there's some irony in all this.

It’s illuminating to try to use a late-era Core 2 Duo (or even Core 2 Quad) machine for all web browsing for a day. Given a cheap SSD upgrade, these systems can handle Windows 10 or a modern Linux distro perfectly well, but the web can bring them to their knees pretty easily. You quickly learn which sites to avoid, but even nominally “good” sites are still sluggish.

My gods what a bunch of sabotaging sissys. Runs fine on my machine! The site I linked is the specs for the very low powered (Y'all are astroturfing for offense! Get over yourselves! Quit faking your issues! If this low power, crap, 8 year old cpu is fine y'all should be too!

Y'all are desperate to appear unhappy & distressed, and it's either in genuine shilling against acceptance for bullshit (anti-)reasons (you despise the web) or extremely oversensitive (really? Your fans are running? Still? Open devtools profiling: what is the offender here?!?! Easy to find out!). Get the heck over yourselves or stop being a sell out patsy. Get real. I have far shittier hardware (what is linked) & it's fine. Utterly unnoticeable. The sir doth protest too much.

The protests against the web have not advanced or shown further signs of intelligence one iota. No matter what is possible, no matter what the platform can do, no matter how capable things are: there is a destructive campaign that believes only in destruction of the web, & this sort of low grade complaining is the tip of the spear, decoupled from truth, that wants to sink it's relentless pitiful steel spear of doubt through the armor of possibility and potential into the organ of belief and blood. Creating the image of any site being slow or bad is enough to sink the whole enterprise for these antagonists, can ward off any cause for belief: this is a fallow folk. Do not take.

Possibility poisoned by agendas. There is such a campaign of shallow hate.

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