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Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Post by kryptiskt »

deminature wrote: post #6

In combination with the 'Core Technology Fee' that financially cripples any developer that tries to release a popular app outside the official app store, this is pathetic behavior. Hopefully the EU smacks them down for this temper tantrum at being forced to adhere to the DMA. They are trying to flex their market power and should be reminded they operate within a system of laws that doesn't bend for anyone, regardless…

Yeah, this isn't a parlor game, I have no idea why they think the antitrust pressure will abate by such bad faith nonsense moves. Next step for the EU is to make Tim Cook choose whether he wants to be CEO of the device side or service side of the broken up Apple. It's clear that fining them is useless.

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Post by zer00eyz »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #7

Since the article doesn't actually repeat what Apple has said, here's what Apple says: == Begin quote == The iOS system has traditionally provided support for Home Screen web apps by building directly on WebKit and its security architecture. That integration means Home Screen web apps are managed to align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS, including isolation of storage and enforcement of sys…

Without this type of isolation and enforcement, malicious... camera, microphone or location ... Browsers ...

30 some million lines of code in chromium browsers.

Thats bigger than the linux kernel.

The HN crowed might not LIKE apples response but they have a very defensible position.

Edit: Its not like we haven't seen this play out on the desktop recently: https://www.theverge.com/24054329/microsoft-edge-automatic-c...

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Post by akmarinov »

addicted wrote: post #5

I don’t think Apple’s pettiness is gonna work in their favor. I am not in the EU but my next iPhone is almost certainly not gonna be an iPhone despite me having used a non iPhone for about 6 months in the last 15 years. Their throwing their customers under the bus just to throw a tantrum in the EU does not bode well for how they would treat their customers in other situations.

Whatever they manage to eek out in the EU, is the future of what iOS will be in the US and worldwide eventually. If they go with fully fledged PWAs that the other browser engines will enable - there’s little reason to use the Appstore, hence Apple losing their 30% commission.

From their perspective it’s not so much throwing a tantrum but clawing and screaming their way into giving up as little revenue as possible.

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Post by zer00eyz »

secondcoming wrote: post #20
LeoPanthera wrote: post #7

Since the article doesn't actually repeat what Apple has said, here's what Apple says: == Begin quote == The iOS system has traditionally provided support for Home Screen web apps by building directly on WebKit and its security architecture. That integration means Home Screen web apps are managed to align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS, including isolation of storage and enforcement of sys…

> malicious web apps could read data from other web apps and recapture their permissions to gain access to a user’s camera, microphone or location without a user’s consent. How is this even possible? It's shocking that these APIs even exist for any browser to use.

>> How is this even possible? It's shocking that these APIs even exist for any browser to use.

https://www.theverge.com/24054329/microsoft-edge-automatic-c...

Ask MS, they already did it.

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Post by amelius »

secondcoming wrote: post #20
LeoPanthera wrote: post #7

Since the article doesn't actually repeat what Apple has said, here's what Apple says: == Begin quote == The iOS system has traditionally provided support for Home Screen web apps by building directly on WebKit and its security architecture. That integration means Home Screen web apps are managed to align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS, including isolation of storage and enforcement of sys…

> malicious web apps could read data from other web apps and recapture their permissions to gain access to a user’s camera, microphone or location without a user’s consent. How is this even possible? It's shocking that these APIs even exist for any browser to use.

I didn't read the article, but to me it sounds like Safari's security mechanisms need more work.

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Post by robertoandred »

deminature wrote: post #6

In combination with the 'Core Technology Fee' that financially cripples any developer that tries to release a popular app outside the official app store, this is pathetic behavior. Hopefully the EU smacks them down for this temper tantrum at being forced to adhere to the DMA. They are trying to flex their market power and should be reminded they operate within a system of laws that doesn't bend for anyone, regardless…

This IS adhering to the DMA. Every browser engine is treated the same.
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