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Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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> Mozilla will focus on bringing “trustworthy AI into Firefox.” I hope they will give us ability to turn it off. Or at least LibreWolf will turn it off / remove it. I’d rather they add optional small subscription fee to support themselves if they have to than add AI or some other questionable functionalities.

> I hope they will give us ability to turn it off.

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They seem to be inclined towards the idea of running language models on your own computer, given Mozilla released a cross-platform runtime for llama that can make use of either the CPU or GPU. So I won't be surprised if it's swappable.

Predicting: swappable on "nightly" versions only and release versions are 100% "I'm sorry Dave I'm afraid I can't do that"

That's more a Chrome thing than a Firefox thing.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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post #17

> Mozilla will focus on bringing “trustworthy AI into Firefox.” I hope they will give us ability to turn it off. Or at least LibreWolf will turn it off / remove it. I’d rather they add optional small subscription fee to support themselves if they have to than add AI or some other questionable functionalities.

There's already AI in there, see the current Translation feature.

Perfect example of why this is a bad idea. There is no immediately obvious way to turn off this obnoxious feature, which insists on hogging part of my precious screen real estate. By default, it only has a poorly worded way to disable it for a single language, but no way to simply turn it off forever. (Yes, you can disable it in about:config).

If I want something translated, I'll ask for it. Feel free to add a menu item or a button somewhere to do this, but randomly popping up door hangers really grinds my gears.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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> its leadership argued that diversifying its product portfolio beyond Firefox was necessary to ensure Mozilla’s survival in the long run

This always bugged me. Are they expecting Firefox to die? If that happened, there would be little reason for Mozilla to exist.

The project lives and dies with the browser. Having a "plan B" is complete nonsense and an unnecessary distraction.

I'm glad they're shifting focus back on the browser.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Sure sounds like they haven't learned any lessons from past trend-chasing. They are shutting down their VR world and their Mastodon instance. This content-free AI promise just sounds like more of the same desperate grabbing for hype, while also cutting jobs and notably not mentioning any actual initiatives to prop up the core product and actual reason for Mozilla's existence.

The main difference between the past hype-grabs and generative AI is that genAI is incredibly expensive. So long as Mozilla follows this pattern of chasing the latest hypewagon instead of working on its core product, they will continue to lose relevance. It's too bad.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

#28

> Mozilla will focus on bringing “trustworthy AI into Firefox.” I hope they will give us ability to turn it off. Or at least LibreWolf will turn it off / remove it. I’d rather they add optional small subscription fee to support themselves if they have to than add AI or some other questionable functionalities.

Recently there was some discussion about Jetbrains pre-bundled AI-related plugin:

https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/LLM-1973/Provide-the-po...

Hopefully Mozilla will do the same, ship the AI functionality as a plugin and allow people to explicitly opt in if they want to use it. Its OK if they show it during on-boarding, as long as there is an option.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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post #16

Is there any sort of corporate structure around one of the forks? There's no doubt in my mind that if it were organized somehow the community would be able to fund a few developers to work on Firefox alongside Mozilla. I don't want an aggressive split, but I'd like to be able to support the project. I've donated to Mozilla in the past but it apparently was not going to Firefox directly.

You shouldn’t donate. The donations don’t go to MoCo which is the for profit subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation under which FF is developed.

All the donations go to MoFo, where they barely covered Mitchell’s salary and what was left went to her pet political projects. People are pretty unaware/misled about how Mozilla is structured/funded.

The only way you can contribute to FF directly is to keep and use Google as the default search engine.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Backing off of VPN, Relay and Monitor sounds like bad news. They are the Mozilla's only source of income if the Google search deal goes away. Mozilla's financial statements never detailed how much money they were spending on their different segments, so perhaps those projects weren't generating profit, and thus weren't worth keeping even though they brought in revenue. I can certainly see how it would be hard to compete with other business that are focused solely on that market, while Mozilla is trying to use it as a side-gig to fund Firefox.

But they were at least an attempt to create alternate revenue streams and seemed like useful products that were complementary to Firefox. I am very skeptical that Mozilla will be able to monetize any AI integration they include, assuming they even build anything worth using given how far removed AI is from their existing competencies.

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